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Old 03-14-2013, 11:00 PM   #16
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Honestly, I don't think anyone can give you useful advice on whether or not your new design will work until we can see what's in there.

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Old 03-17-2013, 05:31 PM   #17
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looks like a cleanout back there. it's a vertical pvc pipe with a plugged stub coming out. 1st photo is what's actually there, except the photo is upside down. not a perfectly clear shot, so 2nd photo is an example of what's there.
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to keep this post short, i'll avoid too much redundant info. please read my prior statements for the full context.

In the drawing below, i've basically zoomed out from my prior drawings and deleted the finer captions surrounding the half-bath. This gives a better idea of the full basement & townhouse plumbing.

notice what appears to possibly be the main stack in the laundry room, on the opposite wall from the stack with cleanout behind the access panel. the one in the laundry room also has a cleanout on it. I'm assuming the 2 stacks are attached underground.

With the clarity on what's behind the access panel, and more info on the whole-house plumbing, anybody have thoughts on what this (specifically, the cleanout & access panel) means for renovating this basement bath? shower stall, leaving space to access panel? tub, with waterproof panel above tub? relocating the cleanout elsewhere on the wall in order to place tub/shower against that wall?
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Hi,
I'm not a pro, but am pretty sure cleanouts have to be accessible, with something like 3' of clearance in front of them. To use them, you have to be able to wheel a large cleanout hose on a spool up to the cleanout to send a camera or whatever equipment down the cleanout. I think it was 3' my inspector said, but don't quote me on that. This was in California.

I'm in a similar situation. I want to turn the closet which has our stack / cleanout into a bathroom. Problem is the back wall would naturally be the shower and that would seal in the cleanout, which I won't do. We also have two stacks, like you do. One by the laundry room which serves one end of the house and the other over by the wall that shoots up to the bathrooms. I presume they meet up under the concrete and go out to the street as one.

This leaves nothing but costly options of moving it or replanning to just stay clear.

Why don't you just go the other direction and take space from the storage room insteat? That seems to be very convenient...
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not sure if this will work, but on paper it may .....

have the cleanout rotated 90 (see sketch) and extend to back wall of proposed linen closet. Cleanout would still be accessible and pipe could be hidden in the linen closet.
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I was going to suggest building the cleanout into a linen closet... but in that formation, you'll have a hard time opening the linen closet doors. If they go to the floor, they'll bump into the toilet. Even where they're above the toilet, it would be awkward.

So you don't want to take space from the storage room?

What about this? Turn everything sideways. Things fit better like this once you've moved the door to have toilet / sink on one side and either full bath or 1/2 shower and 1/2 linen closet on the other side. You still have a cleanout, and can build in a medicine cabinet or other storage in the space by it.

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thanks for the ideas. everything i'm reading says the rodding clearance for 3-6" pipe cleanout is 18" (12" for smaller than 3" pipe... 36" for larger than 6" pipe).

i can't go into the storage room because last year i built a large shelving unit into the wall... and we're already tight on storage space.

i'd also like to avoid moving the sink & toilet if possible so i don't have to mess around with that plumbing. i'm already seriously considering an above-floor drain for the shower/tub in order to avoid breaking concrete. of course, that assumes i'd be able to connect all the new pipes into the current system in the walls, which is something else i need to get more information on. if the under floor tie-in isn't far from the new drain location, maybe it's cheaper and less work than i'm imagining.

the idea of rotating the cleanout is intriguing. maybe the pipe doesn't actually have to be inside the closet, but rather just keep the existing wall the way it is, between the stack and the new closet. however, seems very difficult to locate an access panel (including trim) on a wall that's 7" wide, no?

in one of my earlier drawings, i mentioned the idea of storage in that space, and i was actually thinking of bathroom storage above the access panel, and external storage from the access panel down (not even shelves, just a little 3' cubbie space... great for hide & seek for the kids too). this wouldn't require a cleanout rotation, just 18" from the cleanout to the shower. however, good point that the toilet would make it difficult to access the storage above the access panel.

another option would be the drawing shown below. this one might make an above-floor drain more difficult, depending on how far the pipe would have to go to tie into the main system. btw, does anyone know where the underground connection between stacks is likely to be, or is it pretty much anyone's guess until you start digging or get someone in there with these pipe sensors i've read about?

any more thoughts on these ideas or other options? thanks again.
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