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Old 01-28-2011, 05:50 PM   #16
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Here is a site that demonstrates how to cut crown.

http://www.ehow.com/video_4417863_cu...miter-saw.html

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That video shows you how to chop the crown with a compound cut. You don;t want to do this unless the crown is too big fro you to nest in the miter saw.

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One set of tools that I find ABSOLUTELY indispensable for hanging crown are "Crown Molding Hangers".

I have a set of two adjustable plastic hangers that I paid $10 each for... and two sets of four non-adjustable plastic ones (total of 8) that I paid $8 for each set. (Both can be seen at the bottom of this post)

But, believe it or not, shown here is what I use most. These cost nothing, and I can easily bend them to snug molding up tight against the ceiling.

This is two shots of a simple piece of thick, stiff wire (I happened to have some around, but you can buy pieces at HO) that I cut and bent with a pair of lineman's pliers.

I have shown one just lying on the floor, and also up on the wall, hanging from the necessary nail. Please ignore the position of the nail. It really should be within about an inch of the ceiling... and it should have a big head (like a roofing nail) on it. You drive the nail 'almost' snug up against the wire... but my wife wouldn't let me drive any more nails in our walls. (This nail already happened to be there, so I used it to take the picture.)

After the crown is nailed in place at both ends you simply lift or tilt the wire off the nail, slip the wire out, and leave the nail permanently sitting in the wall behind the molding. It hurts nothing, and no one will ever know it's there.

ALSO..... another thing you will need to do is give yourself some sort of wooden backing into which to nail the molding. Some people will tell you to search for studs. Frankly, this is dumb... and not only time consuming, but VERY frustrating!

On regular size crown molding (about 3 1/2 to 4 inches) I simply buy bundles of firring strips and cut the whole bundle in half at 4' lengths. I use firring strips because they tend to hold nails better than some of the softer junk wood you can buy. I make my strips 4' long because you need to leave gaps between the ends of your strips to mount your "hanger" wire (or commercial ones if you want), and long 8' strips make that difficult.

I merely hold up a 4' piece of firring strip in the same running (lateral) position the crown will be nailed in, (one edge on the ceiling and one edge on the wall) and shoot 12 penny nails through the strip into the top plate of the wall behind. three or four nails per 4' strip. I can prep the average room this way in about five minutes, and I NEVER have to search for any nailing. If your walls are going to be painted later, it gets even easier... just, using a pencil (NEVER a pen or magic marker... it will bleed through the future paint job), make a mark down the wall at the ends of the strips so you will always know where the strips are, and where they are not.

Sometimes you cannot hit the top plate just right. In those incidents, you would be surprised at how well angling the big nails, first left, then right, will wedge themselves toward each other and hold the firring strip tight to the intersection of the wall and ceiling.

I use ADHESIVE CAULKING (Polyseamseal, I think) to caulk the edges after everything is in place, and it anchors the molding up there like a rock.
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That video shows you how to chop the crown with a compound cut. You don;t want to do this unless the crown is too big fro you to nest in the miter saw.
Not an expert, but I cut all my crown this way.
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Nothing at all wrong with cutting your crown either way, flat or 'nested'. I just happen to find that 'nested' is quicker and easier since you dont have to constantly keep making both miter and bevel adjustments for walls that are a little off 90 degrees. With 'nested' you only have to move the miter adjustments since the bevel always remains at 'zero'.
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Not an expert, but I cut all my crown this way.
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I used to but its much easier if it fits in the saw as WillieT said. It's also easier to adjust the cut a degree or two if the miter is off.
Willie, I like your hanger. I also cut angled blocks from 2x4s for more solid nailing, especially on the walls where the joists run parallel, but I just cut them in 6" lengths and nail them to the top plate every 16"
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Willie T, GREAT idea about the fir strips and hangers?
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First off, don't use silicon, it's not paintable. Second, you don't need fancy jigs. When I first started putting up crown moulding I kept messing up the cuts from an outside corner to an inside corner. I made these templates to help me remember where the blade needed to be. Example, inside 1 to outside 2. i'd bring the templates with me and match them to the 45 I needed. Saved me from a lot of headaches.

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P.S. Also helps in determining how off the walls are. You may need to adjust your angle.

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Willie T, GREAT idea about the fir strips and hangers?
Thanks Mike
Lee Valley Tools has some handy crown hangers too.
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First off, don't use silicon, it's not paintable. Second, you don't need fancy jigs. When I first started putting up crown moulding I kept messing up the cuts from an outside corner to an inside corner. I made these templates to help me remember where the blade needed to be. Example, inside 1 to outside 2. i'd bring the templates with me and match them to the 45 I needed. Saved me from a lot of headaches.

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CLICK HERE to see a quick and easy way to remember which way the cuts are supposed to be made for any given corner.
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Here's a very convenient way of making certain your crown is placed into position the same, each and every time.

It's a simply made jig that I ran across on www.finehomebuilding.com, I think.

Another cheap and easy tool that you may come to really depend upon.
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Here's a very convenient way of making certain your crown is placed into position the same, each and every time.

It's a simply made jig that I ran across on www.finehomebuilding.com, I think.

Another cheap and easy tool that you may come to really depend upon.
I'd like to try that one out.

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LOL I see all these really neat tools AFTER I've put up all my crown.
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Often when you are coping an inside corner, it does not fit quite right. Wouldn't you like an easy way to determine just where the coped part is lacking enough depth? Or be able to really see what is happening inside that cope that is holding you off just a sixteenth of an inch or so?

Well, now you can.

With this jig (also from www.finehomebuilding.com) you can slide your coped workpiece (the tan one) up against the permanently installed piece of crown (the pink one) and look through the 'window' in the backside to see precisely what the problem is, and where to cut to fix it. (You can't tell any of this from just looking at the corner from the face of the molding.)

And do all this conveniently and comfortably right down on your work bench.

You will see a small piece of alignment stock nailed to the base of the jig in the two lower drawings. You need to have this installed. (I just left it out of the other views so you could see better how things work.)

Of course you would have to make both a righthand jig and a lefthand one.
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I find this shop built fixture the easiest way to cut nested crown. I not only holds the crown at the same spring angle for every cut, it also provides a zero clearance kerf to line your mark up with. That little trick adds accuracy and speed like no other thing besides experience,

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I find this shop built fixture the easiest way to cut nested crown. I not only holds the crown at the same spring angle for every cut, it also provides a zero clearance kerf to line your mark up with. That little trick adds accuracy and speed like no other thing besides experience,

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These are great jigs. However, for those of you with smaller (10") saws, be careful that the jig you construct is not so beefy that both it and the crown you intend to cut won't fit under the blade... or that the blade won't cut all the way through the molding when it's mounted in the jig.

It is very disappointing to finish a jig like that only to find that the blade is too small to complete a cut through the workpiece... or that the saw hits the jig before getting all the way through the cut.

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