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Old 11-30-2009, 06:38 AM   #31
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Annie your doing fine, I'm sure in short order your going to have new cabinets installed and a new kitchen to come home to. These are problems a remodeling company deals with on a weekly basis. Remember everyone makes mistakes, smart people benefit from them and don't repeat them, others, well you get the idea. Hang in there your in the home stretch!!!

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Old 11-30-2009, 09:01 AM   #32
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Willie has you squared away on the cabinet sizing.

The counter top being premade is interesting. You didn't mention if it has a preformed splash attached or not. If it does one of the 45 deg corners may need cutting again. Not a bib deal for a shop with the proper saw, impossible to do in the field, IMO.

If there is no splash then I would assume you would be tiling the back splash afterward. Chances are good in that situation that the top was made a little large and can be fitted on site.

Either way your cabinets will need to be installed some what square to one and other because the top will be square and most people want an even reveal at the over hang. This is not that important with a template being made after cabinet install as they will make it to fit the current conditions.

I would just call and ask about the top and see if there is a plan for slight changes in site conditions. There should be as there is rarely a job that is perfect to the drawing.

Hang in there, and try to have fun.
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Thank you for the additional info.

The countertop does have a preformed attached splash.

When you say "Either way your cabinets will need to be installed some what square to one and other because the top will be square and most people want an even reveal at the over hang," what does "an even reveal at the overhang" mean?
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Old 11-30-2009, 11:13 AM   #34
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Thank you for the additional info.

The countertop does have a preformed attached splash.

When you say "Either way your cabinets will need to be installed some what square to one and other because the top will be square and most people want an even reveal at the over hang," what does "an even reveal at the overhang" mean?
The countertops will be like placing a huge framing square on top of your cabinets. The precut corners will be a true 90 deg.

If your walls are out of square and the cabinets are installed tight to the walls with no regard to how square they are to each other then the overhang on the counter tops will shop the discrepancy. That is to say that the over hang may go from 1 1/2" to 2" from one end to the other as an example.

A call to the supplier is in order at this point even if all you do is find out about a problem. Chances are he built in some play to the top and you will be fine. The very top of the splash is applied in the field and covers a small gap. If he planned on a 1/4" gap on each side then he can still shoe horn the thing in there. He should be able to make it smaller though. Bigger problem if you needed it to be larger.
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Old 11-30-2009, 11:58 AM   #35
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My last house the corners were not perfectly square
I shaved the drywall at the inside corners to slide the counter top in
HD did the measuring, $30 cost - then deducted from the cost of the counter top
So technically they were on the hook for the wrong measurement
But it was easier to just shave the drywall
I shimmed the corner cabinets to bring them out square
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Thank you for the additional information and ideas!
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Here's an exaggerated example of uneven reveal.

("Reveal" simply means the degree or amount that part of one component of an installation is "revealed" where it either meets or extends past another component. In this case, how much the countertop extends [hangs over] past the front of the cabinets.)
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Thanks for the drawing -- makes "reveal" very clear.
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Thanks for the drawing -- makes "reveal" very clear.
To make things even more complicated for you, 'reveal' and 'return' are often used interchangeably by many people.

Actually 'return' means a portion of a structure that makes a turn and 'returns' to a stopping point.

Look at the sides of your windows. Where the plastered wall makes a turn at the window's edge, it 'returns' to the window frame. That strip three inches, or so, of plaster at 90 degrees to the wall is called the "return".

Strange as it sounds, some people will call it a 'reveal' too. Just like they may call the countertop overhang a 'return'.

Go figure?
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To make things even more complicated for you, 'reveal' and 'return' are often used interchangeably by many people.

Actually 'return' means a portion of a structure that makes a turn and 'returns' to a stopping point.

Look at the sides of your windows. Where the plastered wall makes a turn at the window's edge, it 'returns' to the window frame. That strip three inches, or so, of plaster at 90 degrees to the wall is called the "return".

Strange as it sounds, some people will call it a 'reveal' too. Just like they may call the countertop overhang a 'return'.

Go figure?
Hey Willie, nice explanation, seems like another Willie T I've read posts from in another forum LOL.
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Okay, got it. I think you must be an educator or technical writer.
(That's meant as a compliment!)

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Well, I DO teach. But I teach remedial behavioral modification classes for ex-offenders. As for the other, I'm the product of a family full of teachers and professors... so I guess you could say I'm a frustrated proof reader.
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Whoa! der it iz DA "PROOF" dat Wille is maybe,sorta,kinda, occasionally,correct!!!


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I might have another solution for the cabinets. The counter top still needs to be cut. I am having some trouble reading the all the cabinet sizes but it looks like you have lazy susan base cabinets on both corners. Some lazy susan cabinets are not full depth cabinets, they need to be pulled off of the wall so many inches so they line up with adjacent cabinets. On your left side it looks like the lazy susan butts up to a range. If your lazy susans are as I described can you just kind of push it back the 1/4" or 1/2" that you need. This is assuming that you are using a free standing range not a slide in.
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Whoa! der it iz DA "PROOF" dat Wille is maybe,sorta,kinda, occasionally,correct!!!


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Hey, even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then.

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