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Old 12-28-2009, 09:53 AM   #1
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I need to frame a hall ceiling in a basement for drywall. The hall is 8' X 3' and opens to other rooms without header at both ends. The walls are already finished.

I plan to nail a 2 X 4 along the two long walls and use 2X4s on 16" centers across the 3' span. What is the best and easiest way for an amateur to attach the short 2X 4s to the 8' nailers? There is a heating duct directly above so I will have no headroom to work in. I thought of using joist hangers but there won't be room to maneuver the 2X4s into place. I seriously doubt my ability to toenail the 2X4s and sink the screw heads.

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Old 12-28-2009, 10:02 AM   #2
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predrill holes in ends of 2x for nails or screws

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I need to frame a hall ceiling in a basement for drywall. The hall is 8' X 3' and opens to other rooms without header at both ends. The walls are already finished.

I plan to nail a 2 X 4 along the two long walls and use 2X4s on 16" centers across the 3' span. What is the best and easiest way for an amateur to attach the short 2X 4s to the 8' nailers? There is a heating duct directly above so I will have no headroom to work in. I thought of using joist hangers but there won't be room to maneuver the 2X4s into place. I seriously doubt my ability to toenail the 2X4s and sink the screw heads.
This is a lot of extra work, but you COULD do it this way.

Cut your 2 x 4's 1" short.

Make a bunch of 1/2" plywood extensions like those shown.(7 1/2" x 1 1/2")

Nail on to each end of the 2 x 4's.

Then nail the 2 x 4's in place by nailing through the plywood extensions.

(The second window shows it rigged to install on edge... with 3 1/2" x 5 1/2" extensions.)
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Willie T, I see how that would work and it is doable, but does sound like a lot of extra work.

Tpolk, where would be predrilled holes be located? At an angle to allow easy toe nailing?
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Willie T, I see how that would work and it is doable, but does sound like a lot of extra work.

Tpolk, where would be predrilled holes be located? At an angle to allow easy toe nailing?
It certainly is a LOT of extra work. Toenailing takes about 5 seconds per nail.
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Plan A: Try toe nailing (yeah, you can do it)
Plan B: Willie T's idea of adding a plywood nailing flange
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plan C predrill holes at angle so nails are alredy placed when you put material in place and arent wrestling with nail,hammer and piece
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Put joist hangers on one wall only. Slip one 2x4 into place and slide the other hanger up over it. Nail it into place.
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Build the 3x8 ladder unit on the floor first, face nailing. Nail a temporary scrap block on wall, thickness of ladder shy, down at one end only. Raise ladder horizontal with one end on block, nail off. Use proper layout for objects.
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Build the 3x8 ladder unit on the floor first, face nailing. Nail a temporary scrap block on wall, thickness of ladder shy, down at one end only. Raise ladder horizontal with one end on block, nail off. Use proper layout for objects.
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Hey, Gary... did someone start building straight and square hallways out there? They sure don't around here.

In these parts, it might work if you built it 3/4" narrow, and shimmed it all the way.
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Hey, Gary... did someone start building straight and square hallways out there? They sure don't around here.

In these parts, it might work if you built it 3/4" narrow, and shimmed it all the way.
There is nothing square about this house. I swear they had monkeys on the building crew.
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Nail up the 2 x 4 frame around the perimeter. Now take the 5, yes only 5 short pieces of 2 x 4's and predrill each end with two holes on an angle. Now use 3" deck screws and screw them in with a cordless impact or cordless drill, or worse come to worse, an electric varialble speed drill with a cord (aauugghhhhhh!). I am being a little facetious, but c'mon, you aren't framing in a house here. This job should take about a half hour, including coffee.
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1/2 hour? damn where did i set the screws... crap the drills on the floor...
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OK, I forgot to mention do a short 3-4-5 diagonal in the corner or hold up that rip of 2x6' piece of 1/4" with the factory edges to the walls.....
You still have a 66% chance it will fit. It will rack easily, just not shrink on both ends.... Post your location, send me air fair, it's pretty slow here.
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OK,Post your location, send me air fair, it's pretty slow here.
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LOL, Gary. I wish I could do that. My #1 Christmas wish was for a carpenter to help me with my remodeling.

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