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Old 03-26-2013, 11:12 AM   #16
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What is going underneath that counter top? That appliance (trash compactor)?
Does it need to be open or could you build or use a cabinet base?

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What is going underneath that counter top? That appliance (trash compactor)?
Does it need to be open or could you build or use a cabinet base?
We planned on nothing going underneath. That is a wine cooler we just moved there for the time being during construction. I guess a cabinet would offer support and we would not mind it but there are two concerns.

1. The baseboard will be in the way
2. When we sit down on our stools at that table ours knees might hit the cabinet. We don't want to build out the counter top more and it start to take us out into the floor area. It's tight in the kitchen as it is. Maybe a cabinet that is not so deep.
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I've been following and trying to understand what you are looking to accomplish.

1) How wide is the countertop that you are going to put on that wall?
2) What are you referring to when you say baseboard?
3) Please draw a sketch of where the wall will be in relation to the countertop. How much distance will cantilever each direction?

I think I've got some ideas but I'll need more info.
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I've been following and trying to understand what you are looking to accomplish.

1) How wide is the countertop that you are going to put on that wall?
2) What are you referring to when you say baseboard?
3) Please draw a sketch of where the wall will be in relation to the countertop. How much distance will cantilever each direction?

I think I've got some ideas but I'll need more info.
First, thanks a lot. The new countertop is going to be about 1 1/2-2' wide.
As you can see in the pic there is baseboard heating right under it where the wall(2x4's) was.

It would be great if a single row of 2x4's(as it shows in the pics) with some supports and plywood could support the new countertop. But as mentioned in another post I guess a single row of 2x4's can't do the job. But I also can't do two walls either because the baseboard is in the way and if I come out the other way I have to cut the wood flooring.
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I think that if you off center your countertop like it is now then you are going to have to use corbels as support. What material will your countertop be? Will it have a substrate?

I really do think that if you sheath your half wall with plywood then drywall over that you will have the shear strength you need.

There is absolutely no way you will be able to adequately support that countertop on that width of wall without some type of diagonal support. Corbels would be a very attractive way to accomplish it.
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Sorry Fix. I think we could.....why? Its not centered. I assume centering it would provide better stability.?
as was said, and i was getting too. sheath that half wall, both sides of the L . and you HAVE to connect each side of the "L" VERY SOLIDLY. bolted to the floor joists. L shaped counter top of solid material. and some kind of corbels.
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I think that if you off center your countertop like it is now then you are going to have to use corbels as support. What material will your countertop be? Will it have a substrate?

I really do think that if you sheath your half wall with plywood then drywall over that you will have the shear strength you need.

There is absolutely no way you will be able to adequately support that countertop on that width of wall without some type of diagonal support. Corbels would be a very attractive way to accomplish it.
Thanks. The countertop is going to be some sort of stone, granite etc. Right now it's a light countertop....formica and wood. My wife is saying she thinks the support should be wider than the 2x4's....will 2x6's work and sheathing and diagonal braces?
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as was said, and i was getting too. sheath that half wall, both sides of the L . and you HAVE to connect each side of the "L" VERY SOLIDLY. bolted to the floor joists. L shaped counter top of solid material. and some kind of corbels.
Thanks...as posted before..I'm thinking 2x6's and bracing and corbels.
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Thanks. The countertop is going to be some sort of stone, granite etc. Right now it's a light countertop....formica and wood. My wife is saying she thinks the support should be wider than the 2x4's....will 2x6's work and sheathing and diagonal braces?
Anything that you can do to distribute the weight more evenly is going to help. 2x6 wall with double top plate, the end stud going thru the subfloor and being lagged into a floor joist below, or secured to blocking if the stud falls between two joists. Sheath the wall opposite the base board heater so you can add shear support to your wall.

I've never done granite slab only granite tile. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think you have to put down a substrate for granite slab. So I'd go with something thick like 3/4" plywood glued and screwed to the double top plate. I'd even try to recess some large washers to again spread out some of the torsional forces that those fasteners are going to be subject to.

See how that is going to feel, deflection wise, out at the end of the counter top. I still think you'll need to add in some corbels. I dont think I'd want my granite to cantilever more than 6-8" if I could help it.

Again. I'm not sure if this is industry standard but its how I'd approach it if it were my house.
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Make sure if you use corbels, you space your stud supports exactly where you want your corbels to go. Forget 16" o.c. framing if it doesn't work. The last thing you want is to get it all built and then realize your corbels will be asymmetrical. It would hurt the eyes.
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Anything that you can do to distribute the weight more evenly is going to help. 2x6 wall with double top plate, the end stud going thru the subfloor and being lagged into a floor joist below, or secured to blocking if the stud falls between two joists. Sheath the wall opposite the base board heater so you can add shear support to your wall.

I've never done granite slab only granite tile. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think you have to put down a substrate for granite slab. So I'd go with something thick like 3/4" plywood glued and screwed to the double top plate. I'd even try to recess some large washers to again spread out some of the torsional forces that those fasteners are going to be subject to.

See how that is going to feel, deflection wise, out at the end of the counter top. I still think you'll need to add in some corbels. I dont think I'd want my granite to cantilever more than 6-8" if I could help it.

Again. I'm not sure if this is industry standard but its how I'd approach it if it were my house.


Cantilever no more than 6-8"???? You mean from the wall underneath the countertop can hang over more than 6-8" on each side? That is an awful small countertop. We would like the countertop to be 2'-2" wide.....is that too wide for this wall you and other are suggesting?

By the way what is a substrate? thanks

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Whats the big deal about moving a small piece of copper baseboard heating pipe? Just wondered.
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Cantilever no more than 6-8"???? You mean from the wall underneath the countertop can hang over more than 6-8" on each side? That is an awful small countertop. We would like the countertop to be 2'-2" wide.....is that too wide for this wall you and other are suggesting?

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Substrate is something u put under or behind ur finish layer.

No I meant cantilever 6-8" past your furthest point of support. in this case ur wall edge and the edge of ur corbel.
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Whats the big deal about moving a small piece of copper baseboard heating pipe? Just wondered.


I guess we could...not sucha big deal
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Yeah, if you simply get rid of that pipe you can put in an island base and put your counter top on there. By the way, I know what corbeling is with regard to masonry, what is it with regard to finish carpentry? Never mind, Ive got it. Same as Masonry.

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