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oddjobrookie 11-08-2011 09:27 PM

secure a wall frame to cinder block
 
I'm looking for help. After I frame out my wall how do attach a wooden fram to the existing wall made of cinder block.
My project - A warehouse owner is removing a garage door separating his half of the building and the neighboring business (this is on the interior of the building). When the property owner removes the door in the next day or two he wants a wall put up ASAP (A framed wall with sheet rock, not more cinder block...I'll use wood for framing)

Iíve attached my frames to cement foundations before but not to cinder block which if I use a concrete nail gun would it just crack or shatter the cinder block? Or should I use some sort of wall anchor or a ramset?....

Thadius856 11-09-2011 12:50 AM

A rather uneducated guess that might get you off in the right direction...

...pilot hole with masonry bit, then bolts into masonry anchors?

oddjobrookie 11-09-2011 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Thadius856
A rather uneducated guess that might get you off in the right direction...

...pilot hole with masonry bit, then bolts into masonry anchors?

Would tapcon screws work in this situation.

Towerdog2 11-10-2011 03:11 AM

No, cinder blocks crumble with tapcons.

oddjobrookie 11-10-2011 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Towerdog2 (Post 767706)
No, cinder blocks crumble with tapcons.

Even if you pre drill holes? If that's a no go, what would work?

oh'mike 11-10-2011 05:34 AM

You will do O.K. with tapcons into the mortar joints---All PL premium to your nailing blocks as some of the tapcons will not grip well.

I usually nail 2 short 2x4s together (about 16 Inches long) like an L when you look at them from the end.

This gives you a good gluing and nailing block---Try the ,22 stud gun into the mortar---If it works that would sure speed up the job.

oddjobrookie 11-10-2011 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by oh'mike (Post 767726)
You will do O.K. with tapcons into the mortar joints---All PL premium to your nailing blocks as some of the tapcons will not grip well.

I usually nail 2 short 2x4s together (about 16 Inches long) like an L when you look at them from the end.

This gives you a good gluing and nailing block---Try the ,22 stud gun into the mortar---If it works that would sure speed up the job.


So I should definitely go through the mortar and not the block itself? And you don't think the .22 gun would shatter it at all?

oh'mike 11-10-2011 05:15 PM

Some times it works--sometimes not----but Tapcons are slow and the stud gun is fast--so give it a 'shot' and find out----It's an interior partition so no real harm will be done if the .22 does cause some chipping while you figure out the best method---Mike---

oddjobrookie 11-10-2011 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by oh'mike (Post 768074)
Some times it works--sometimes not----but Tapcons are slow and the stud gun is fast--so give it a 'shot' and find out----It's an interior partition so no real harm will be done if the .22 does cause some chipping while you figure out the best method---Mike---

Thanks...I'll give it a shot...I'll be working on it tomorrow. maybe upload some pics! lol thanks again guys

woodworkbykirk 11-11-2011 04:32 PM

drill into the mortar joints.. or you can drill into the block itself with a 5/16 hammer drill bit then install plastic anchors in the hole.. from there drive screws through the studs into the anchors.

i work in commercial renovations and facilities management on and off, those methods work like a charm

oddjobrookie 11-11-2011 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by woodworkbykirk (Post 768810)
drill into the mortar joints.. or you can drill into the block itself with a 5/16 hammer drill bit then install plastic anchors in the hole.. from there drive screws through the studs into the anchors.

i work in commercial renovations and facilities management on and off, those methods work like a charm

ok thanks for the tip...I'm going to see how the .22 nail gun does on the first few, if that doesn't seem to work then I'll resort to that. As the door that was supposed to be removed today ... well wasn't...

firehawkmph 11-11-2011 09:28 PM

I use a ramset gun and shoot into the part of the block where the web goes all the way through. That is, right in the middle of the block, and about an inch and a half from each end. My gun uses one strength load with an adjustable barrel to vary how far it goes in. I have also had good results with tapcons going into the same part of the block.
Mike Hawkins:)

oddjobrookie 12-05-2011 03:54 AM

Well, we ended up using the .22 ramset and it seemed to have worked thank you everyone


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