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TGreene 12-17-2011 05:41 PM

Rotting Sill on 2nd Story - DIYable or time to call a pro?
 
Today I was helping my Dad patch some drywall in a second story bedroom. Behind the wall is the chimney, and after removing a section of drywall we looked behind the insulation and found that the (what we believe is called) fiber board sheathing had disentegrated - there was nothing between the insulation and the brick. We pulled out a lot of the drywall and insulation and found gaps between the brick of the chimney and the aluminum siding large enough to let light through.

It seems pretty simple - water came in and rotted away all of the sheathing and ended up doing some pretty good damage to the sill plate as well. The rotted areas look to be about 6' wide. Here are the best pictures I can manage at the moment:

http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/...e/310750ec.jpg

http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/...e/e71d9d8e.jpg

http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/...e/e99ab382.jpg

http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/...e/28cf789d.jpg

What do you all recommend? Making one of those temp walls and cutting out the wood to replace it with nice new materials, or is this part of the house that should not be handled by the weekend warrior?

titanoman 12-17-2011 05:53 PM

You can handle the new wall, but can you handle the leak problem?
What a mess.
The wall, build another one next to the rotten one, dig out the old one, and bang the new one into place.

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joecaption 12-17-2011 05:59 PM

About 90% of what needs to be fixed is on the outside. It looks like there was no sheathing of Tyvek used on the outside wall. If that simple a thing was missed I'd also bet they messed up the flashing around the chimmney.
Once that's fixed then you can worry about the inside.
In most cases the roof will hold it's self up and that wall can be removed with out any extra support needed.
If it was Mine I would get rid of that old aluminum siding and go with new vinyl.

TGreene 12-17-2011 07:16 PM

Thanks for the input, that was fast.

Quote:

Originally Posted by joecaption (Post 796227)
It looks like there was no sheathing of Tyvek used on the outside wall. If that simple a thing was missed I'd also bet they messed up the flashing around the chimmney.

The first picture was taken after ripping out a lot of the sheathing, but a lot of the sheathing had disentegrated and fallen into a pile at the bottom. You can see the sheathing that remains on the top right of the picture.

We put expanding foam inbetween the siding and the chimney. There were large gaps on both sides, so we are hoping that the foam will keep water out and will keep the new sheathing we will put in dry.

I will have to look up what flashing around the chimney is.

titanoman 12-17-2011 07:22 PM

Please don't tell me you're going to rely on the foam to keep the inside of your house dry.
I know Tyvek is $100 a roll. Maybe you could use...

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oh'mike 12-17-2011 07:42 PM

There is improper (none at all,actually) flashing around that chimney----

I can't help you there---let's see what a siding pro has to add.

PS--Please try to resize your picture--it to big--Mike---

titanoman 12-17-2011 07:46 PM

Uh...Don't have a clue how to. That's what imgur does to it. Maybe I should try Photobucket or something.
I'm doing this from a cell phone. All you do is pinch your fingers together to make it smaller.
So you don't think the original op can tell what I drew?

oh'mike 12-17-2011 07:59 PM

That job is rather involved--the siding should be removed--then the wall rebuilt-

new sheathing---Tyvec or felt paper--then flash the chimney to the new wall ---

Certainly doable by a do it your selfer but the time and equipment needed
might make hiring that out to a good carpenter worth the cost.--Mike---

titanoman 12-17-2011 08:02 PM

Never mind my posts. I thought (assumed) the siding was off by now:eek:.

ben's plumbing 12-17-2011 08:05 PM

iam all for the diy.... but looking at this job please forgive me but this is a hire a pro job to much involved .. ben

titanoman 12-17-2011 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ben's plumbing (Post 796320)
iam all for the diy.... but looking at this job please forgive me but this is a hire a pro job to much involved .. ben

Okay. I'll keep post #2 where it's at.

oh'mike 12-17-2011 08:14 PM

Even posts with an oversight are good to leave--it teaches the thought process --
The discovery--so don't worry about it.

As we discuss a job and add to the steps involved a good picture evolves--

Bottom line--the OP ends up with a lot of good ideas--Mike---

TGreene 12-17-2011 08:19 PM

You guys are being really helpful.

I am impressed by how many of you are responding. I think it is clear that I have not provided enough information. I will take more pictures tomorrow night and do some more research and talk to my Dad (who knows more than I do) and hopefully your knowledge will be able to steer us in the right direction.

titanoman 12-17-2011 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oh'mike (Post 796325)
Even posts with an oversight are good to leave--it teaches the thought process --
The discovery--so don't worry about it.

As we discuss a job and add to the steps involved a good picture evolves--

Bottom line--the OP ends up with a lot of good ideas--Mike---

I wish I could show your post to a guy that rudely interrupted a conversation me another carpenter were having yesterday a bout collar ties. We were speculating and talking about different material and procedure while we were waiting for the op to come back and clarify a few things when he jumped in to tell us what a waste of space and time.
I figured the op was paying attention and taking what he thought was the best solution.
Also, carpenters get good by opening they're eyes and ears, listening to other carpenters.
I'm good, but that doesn't mean I can't still learn
I will put anything I can use to make my job easier, and the keep the customer happy, in my arsenal of knowledge.
PS: this post is referring to post #12.

oh'mike 12-18-2011 06:58 AM

It is a pure joy to work with someone that can discuss different methods of doing a job and is open to my suggestions for
making a job go easier.

I've worked with both types---One told me ," I don't pay you to think!"--As I watched him layout the rafters incorrectly.

Another,was the opposite---I caught his mistakes and he thanked me--we shared our knowledge and learned from each other.
When we worked together we made money--quickly and efficiently--and still had time to laugh and joke a bit--

I just choose to be around decent people and leave the grumpy ones behind----Mike----


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