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Old 04-07-2011, 06:18 PM   #16
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Should be a “Golden Rule” of siding; “Caulk joints cannot be expected to remain functional indefinitely; leakage will eventually occur.” From; http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/fplgtr/fpl_gtr169.pdf


Do you really want to rely on caulking at an important joint under vinyl siding? http://sidingmaster.com/documents/Ne...ngmoisture.pdf

The reason why to properly flash a door/window; http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:-KEvosasz54J:www.buildingscience.com/documents/published-articles/pa-water-managed-wall-systems/at_download/file+tape+the+foam+board+joints+and+forget+the+hou se+wrap&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESiUzhg8KvNdL xIEtuINiBJ-KhLpZ51ALuDcFjZd54CUkDN1Ik5GIN_fy2tNYUNs3h87X2JL4X GkfR2hC7_tFZPCFkRhncVaF_PWmKNdIjnTKoa6Ihii7ESkZbL0 ue-5uHWO8aAe&sig=AHIEtbTHa3XRIv3GvYAMWrZBbBZoIUXgxw

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Old 04-08-2011, 07:24 AM   #17
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Thank you all to your comments. I am going to attempt to do it the right way this weekend. I will take photos and post as I go along. I found a pretty handy siding removal tool, I am going to remove or at least loosen all of the siding around my door and remove all of the old J chanel, pop out the old door, and then flash the bottom and half of the sides, install the new door, use Tyvek tape on top of the new nail flange and then re-side. I'll post the pics once i am done.

Also just a side note, I had a second contractor come out, he said the same as the first, you can cut the flange off or he offered to remove the siding and install it with the flange for an additional $250, so $990 total for installation only.
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You cannot get a watertight seal without removing the siding. I don't care how many idiot contractors come to your house and tell you differently.
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Check out the bad J channel detail in the upper left corner....

This is what you DON'T want!!!!!
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One reason people think they can get away with this shortcut, is because the door is under a roof.

Is yours?
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DO NOT cut the top flange off. Anyone recommending you do so is a complete idiot and should NOT be listened to. Don't be lazy. Taking a few pieces of siding off is not a big deal.
- Cut the flange off and you void any warranty
- The door will end up binding over time since the top jamb will sag since it isn't supported
- The door will end up leaking
- After nailing, all flanges should be taped to the wall with approved door window tape to seal properly
- $600 is a decent price from someone who actually knows how to do it.
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" Keep em coming all you contractor's I love it " Like all your details are perfect.
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One reason people think they can get away with this shortcut, is because the door is under a roof.

Is yours?
His installation is protected by a deep porch roof, so even if the installation is incorrect, he'll never see an issue.
That fact wasn't in his post when he basically recommended this type of job though.
Do you get the point, Coldiron?
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I guess everyone who installs replacement windows and doors is doing it wrong.

All the replacement windows and sliding doors I have seen show them without nailing flanges.

The doors with the nailing flanges are for new construction or for people who don't know how to properly install a replacement product.

I know silicon don't hold doors in place and use 3" screws for that.

DIY remember, I don't have to make a living picking apart peoples work because I am not Dependant on Contracting for a living.
All you Contractor's have a chip on your shoulder.
My installation is as good as or better than any Contractor that would have charged me $500 to 1000 for the install.

By the way I have a siding zipper tool in my tool box and know how to use it but I chose not to.
Nice picture HUH!!!!!!!!
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No my door does not have an overhang. And the builder that installed it did something wrong because it is leaking. I hope to re-use the J-channel that was already on door.

Also have any of you used tyvek tape, is it any good?
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No my door does not have an overhang. And the builder that installed it did something wrong because it is leaking. I hope to re-use the J-channel that was already on door.

Also have any of you used tyvek tape, is it any good?
"That's why I don't trust Builder's or Contractor's" Buy new J channel it's cheap.

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No my door does not have an overhang. And the builder that installed it did something wrong because it is leaking. I hope to re-use the J-channel that was already on door.

Also have any of you used tyvek tape, is it any good?
Tyvek tape is good for it's intended use, taping tyvek.
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I was going to use the tape to put over top of the door flange once it was installed and then put the siding back over top.

Cold Iron
the only reason I was trying to re-use the J channel was I am having trouble finding the color of my trim. I don't know where else to look other then the box stores.
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In the OP, it was mentioned there was subfloor damage. Has this been addressed?
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I was going to use the tape to put over top of the door flange once it was installed and then put the siding back over top.
I kind of thought that was the reason. That would be a useless application of the product.
They sell a product specifically made for this application. It's an adhesive rubberized membrane you can pick up for about $20.00 in a big box store.
It's basically peel and stick.
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