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Old 06-30-2014, 10:23 PM   #1
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Replacing a Porch's tongue and groove ceiling


So after a now fixed water leak my porch ceiling is in bad shape. It's original to the house (built in the '20s) and between the water damage and countless layers of paint it's time for it to go.

The question is what is the best way to go about this?

I'm planning to go with stained tongue and groove bead board -- same dimensions as the original.

What type of wood would be the best choice for this? It's an open porch, and being in Pennsylvania we do see a pretty wide spread of temperture/humidity, etc.

Pine seems to be the most readily available, but perhaps Cedar would prove to be more stable?

For a finish I'm planning on using a spar varnish and possibly a stain depending on what wood is chosen. I would like to go on the darker side I'm thinking -- house is a pretty dark red brick. Finish would be applied the same to all sides.

For what it's worth, the boards are run perpendicular to the house. I have to assume there's already a grid of some sort in place to support this arrangement.

Plan is to nail through the tongues of the planks -- I'm somewhat concerned about the hardness of Cedar though.

A rather beefy bit of crown molding will go around the outside, so there'll be room for expansion, contraction there.

Secondary thought -- I'm thinking I'll be doing this in early August -- which will likely mean it will be humid. What's the best bet for installing in that condition -- install loose? install tight?

Woo -- lots of questions!

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Cedar is not la hardwood. No worries nailing it. Ron

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Used SYP T&G beaded 1x6 on the porch of our beach house on the coast of NC.

A light stain along with a coat of Poly and it's doing great. I doubt you would ave the moisture, humidity and temp changes we do here, what with being less than 5 minutes walk to the ocean...


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Used SYP T&G beaded 1x6 on the porch of our beach house on the coast of NC.

A light stain along with a coat of Poly and it's doing great. I doubt you would ave the moisture, humidity and temp changes we do here, what with being less than 5 minutes walk to the ocean...
Very cool -- good to hear of an example with pine.

Any thoughts on the type of nail that should be used?
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Very cool -- good to hear of an example with pine.

Any thoughts on the type of nail that should be used?

I used one of my old Porter Cable finish nailers with 1 1/2" finish nails, and I used a ton of nails.

I also cut all the boards to different lengths, from 2' to 8' in length, staggering the joints, as anything longer became problematic due to run out on some boards.

Very difficult getting them tight if they're longer than 8', and even at 6' and 8', it took some extra effort (I used a home made deck board tool to straighten more than a few. Using some scrap bead board so I didn't damage what was going up).

Worst part is when you come to the end run. you know what I mean when you get to that part...



I do think cedar would be good, probably easier to work with as well, but would cost a LOT more, and since it'll be stained, I doubt it would look any better...
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I'd be using my narrow crown staple gun, not a finish nailer. (except for the last row)
Far more holding power, light weight, the tip lines right up with the tongue.
Do not be afraid to change or add to the support structure.
Sometimes adding purlins is called for, for better support.
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Vertical grain Doug Fir?
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I'd be using my narrow crown staple gun, not a finish nailer. (except for the last row)
Far more holding power, light weight, the tip lines right up with the tongue.
Do not be afraid to change or add to the support structure.
Sometimes adding purlins is called for, for better support.
I like this idea -- and yes, I'll evaluate the existing structure once I start opening things up.

Any thoughts on installing tighter or looser based on outdoor temp & humidity?
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I like this idea -- and yes, I'll evaluate the existing structure once I start opening things up.

Any thoughts on installing tighter or looser based on outdoor temp & humidity?


You'll need to go a little tighter in August, it will shrink come winter.

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