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Old 02-16-2013, 12:53 PM   #16
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Stud finder, go up in the attic and just drill a small hole on each side of the rafter, look for divits or nail pops in the ceiling.
If you go in the attic and check to see if the joist are evenly spaced, once you find one it's just a matter of marking off the rest.
I like to use blue tape on the wall to mark out where the joist are.
Just going to have to use longer screws when installing it.
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The ceiling looks to sag in one or two areas( not most at all). See pics. Not sure of this is just settling issues. I peeled a piece of the sheetrock off and it looks like the beam/rafter?? is a low like it my be bowed. As you can see in another pic there is a very straight line crack in the ceiling.My wife is nervous that putting sheetrock over the extg. might stress the extg. sheetrock more. Any advice? Thanks a lot....
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Take a picture of up in the attic when you get a chance.
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Take a picture of up in the attic when you get a chance.
I will tomorrow. I can't thank you guys enough.
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Could be a whole lot of reasons there's a crack.
House shifted.
Not enough nails or screws were used.
Poor tape job.
No tape.
Someone stepped in the wrong place in the attic.
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If you are going to go over the existing, put a bunch of screws in the old ceiling.
This will secure the old sheetrock and pinpoint exactly where the joists are.

When you try to fix the sag, the screws have tendency to pop through the weakened drywall. I like to use plaster buttons to pull the sagging sheetrock back up to the the framing.




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Don't take it down. I did my bedroom had the same situation. I went to Lowe's and got 1x3 strips they come in bundles of 20 or so. Run them the opposite way of the joists so there is a 3 inch screw every 16 inches. Then rock right over it. Your ceiling will be about an inch lower then it was. you can also run any extra wire through those strips if you wanna move a fan or light.

If you remove the ceiling now you have a huge mess. more waste. and you will have to re insulate. If you must - get some dust masks and old clothes and safety glasses and prepare to probably itch. if the insulation makes you itch get it done and get in a cold shower (warm will make it worse).
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Thanks so much guys. Ok here are some pics were the sag was. As you can see(I hope) in the new pics the beam somehow lowered into the sheetrock. We lived here when they built that skylight but I don't remember if they added that the piece of wood( the one left to right) I don't think so but why does it just end right there? Shouldn't it keep going? They did add the other piece of wood(vertical) We do here the house settle from time to time. I think we may just rock over the extg. but I guess I have to raise that wood.

By the way, would it be possible to remove the sheetrock on the walls if we put new over the extg on the ceilings? Not sure of the ceiling rock butts against the wall rock or the other ways around. We have baseboards if that matters. Thanks again.
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I went over my old ceilings with new drywall in my 2 bathrooms with no problem. Drywall screws with fenders washers work well for a sagging ceiling also.
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Can we remove the wall sheetrock(want ot run new electric/insulate etc.) if we rock the new over the extg ceilings? Not sure what butts against what up top. Thanks
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It would probably be better to figure out why the old ceiling sagged FIRST. Otherwise anything new you put up would likely also develop the same problems. Yes, it's messy to rip down a ceiling. But if you don't do it right the first time, will you have the time & money to do it right the next time? Besides, unless you know the insulation up there is done right this would be a great time to get it better insulated.
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It would probably be better to figure out why the old ceiling sagged FIRST. Otherwise anything new you put up would likely also develop the same problems. Yes, it's messy to rip down a ceiling. But if you don't do it right the first time, will you have the time & money to do it right the next time? Besides, unless you know the insulation up there is done right this would be a great time to get it better insulated.
Thanks WK. Actually it was just sagging in the one area that the pics show(where I ripped the rock down) and that apears to be that the rafter was too low. I think it had to do with when they framed out the skylight. As you can see the rafter just stops and that does not look right although when they installed the skylight I think that rafter was already there. So why it just stops there almost as if it looks like it was cut....i don't know.
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Thanks WK. Actually it was just sagging in the one area that the pics show(where I ripped the rock down) and that apears to be that the rafter was too low. I think it had to do with when they framed out the skylight. As you can see the rafter just stops and that does not look right although when they installed the skylight I think that rafter was already there. So why it just stops there almost as if it looks like it was cut....i don't know.

where you exposed the ceiling framing cut the lower portion ( it looks to be about 3/8") off of that 2x4 that sticks down past the plane of the ceiling joists and cut the the lower portion of the angled piece also to clear the plane of the joists. you could then cut back the drywall to the surrounding ceiling joists and make a nice square to piece in new drywall to close up the hole you cut before going over the whole ceiling with new drywall.

at each end of the room find the ceiling joists and pop chalk lines across the entire ceiling from one side of room to other. these lines can be used as identifying lines when hanging new drywall.

how drywall is done in new construction is the ceiling gets hung first and then walls, so the wall drywall butts up to ceiling drywall. if you re drywall your ceiling your drywall will butt the wall drywall but you can still pull wall drywall later if needed. if you are certain to demo wall then demo wall before hanging ceiling and then butt ceiling drywall to the wall studs like would normally be done if the wall drywall was not up yet. .

also, as everyone mentioned. screw the old drywall first-everywhere to draw it up tight to the ceiling joists, make a T pole if needed that goes floor to ceiling and can be pressed against the ceiling where you are screwing to tighten the drywall before you screw it

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Thanks WK. Actually it was just sagging in the one area that the pics show(where I ripped the rock down) and that apears to be that the rafter was too low. I think it had to do with when they framed out the skylight. As you can see the rafter just stops and that does not look right although when they installed the skylight I think that rafter was already there. So why it just stops there almost as if it looks like it was cut....i don't know.
It's hard to offer advice regarding stuff like ceilings and sagging without seeing the stuff in person, or with a lot of back/forth questions. When you mention things like someone cutting rafters and skylights it opens up a whole other can (case of) of worms. You kinda do need to "know" what's going on with that structure. For the simplest reason of not having your new work go to waste when it suffers the same failures. It helps if you've got someone local that understands how framing works and can take a look at the structure as it stands now. If you don't have a friend that's savvy about this sort of thing then shop around for a home inspector, framing carpenter or perhaps even a roofer, and pay them to take a look at it.

Yeah, you can always just slap another layer of drywall on it. But me, I'd rather know that my work wasn't going to be put at risk of the same problems coming back.
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It's hard to offer advice regarding stuff like ceilings and sagging without seeing the stuff in person, or with a lot of back/forth questions. When you mention things like someone cutting rafters and skylights it opens up a whole other can (case of) of worms. You kinda do need to "know" what's going on with that structure. For the simplest reason of not having your new work go to waste when it suffers the same failures. It helps if you've got someone local that understands how framing works and can take a look at the structure as it stands now. If you don't have a friend that's savvy about this sort of thing then shop around for a home inspector, framing carpenter or perhaps even a roofer, and pay them to take a look at it.

Yeah, you can always just slap another layer of drywall on it. But me, I'd rather know that my work wasn't going to be put at risk of the same problems coming back.

Thanks WK. I will see about having someone look into it although that one spot is that only problem. On other question. Is it possible to rip down the wall sheetrock if putting new rock over the extg. ceiling rock. Does wall sheetrock butt against the clg. sheetrock or the other way around? We have crown moulding so I can't tell. Thanks.

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