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Old 10-05-2013, 08:27 AM   #16
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I do agree that the over the stove micro's are great, however, that
may not be in the OP's budget. We often have many
home improvements that need to be done, so we have to prioritize.

Not only would it be more expensive to purchase an over the stove
micro, then there is the installation. If you're not capable of DIY,
then the installation and electrical work could be costly.
Also, factor in that the cab above the
stove may need to be cut down and re-made to fit the area.

Hope the DIY gal comes back so that we can help her achieve her
original goal -- of installing the micro in an existing cabinet.

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Old 10-05-2013, 08:29 AM   #17
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I agree...although they are coming down in cost. The last one I bought...a few weeks ago...was a floor model, less than $200. But I do not want to presume what is in her budget.
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Old 10-05-2013, 08:59 AM   #18
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Yes, they are coming down in price...My first one was a GE purchased
in 1985 with a new kitchen...I think it cost about 700.00. It only lasted
about seven years, and then we bought another GE, I think it was a
about 400.00 to 500.00 not sure.

With my current new kitchen, we purchased a SS Frigidare micro. What a
beautiful thing it is. The GE had a grill along the front top, that would get
greasy. As much as I wiped it down, we had to unscrew that grill once
a month or so -- to take it down to clean it.
My new one has the grill on top and it's not really a grill, it has holes
in it so that you just wipe it with a sponge.
It looks very nice from the front, and I also love the turntable feature.

The problem with the exhaust fan/micro's is they're often just a smidgen
too big. Stuff like that drives a detailed oriented person like me crazy.

We adjusted our kitchen built for many of these little things
that the average person -- viewing something like a kitchen in it's totality,
doesn't notice. I don't mean to sound stuffy, it's just the way I am, always
been that way. The devil is in the details.
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Old 10-05-2013, 09:12 AM   #19
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...and I'm confident that those little details are what separate you from so many. I understand the detail thing. One of my faults is that I too many times make perfect the enemy of good enough
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Old 10-05-2013, 10:22 AM   #20
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Yes, Royal acres ... pair up a detail oriented person with
a person that will do something over, and over again until it's perfect,
and you have a dangerous situation.

I often quip to him, "it's a repair, not a hobby, what's taking so long!?!"
He replies, "and if it's not perfect, whose the one that's
gonna constantly complain and whine about it???" ...
He also says, "he's the only man in America that can work for me!

Getting back to the micros...notice if they're SS -- the sides are black?
Same thing with the Fridges...most of them the sides are black.
What's the deal with that?
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Old 10-05-2013, 10:57 AM   #21
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I too have noticed that SS trend. A cost cutting move methinks. But so much of merchandising these days involve obsolescence engineering. The engineers design a fine product. Then, the obsolescence engineer changes a bearing to a bushing, weakens supporting structures, etc.

The company saves $0.30 or a dollar per unit, times a million sold. Big money. The board of directors give themselves a bonus....and five years down the road the consumer has a broken item. The consumer would have delightedly paid an extra $5 to get years of additional use from the product....but short-sightedness, and the scramble for short-term profit abound.

There ARE still manufacturing concerns that eschew the above...and design for the long term. But the numbers decrease every year. And I guess we get what we pay for, as the race to the bottom continues. But I digress...
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Yes, I agree...why not extend the SS on the side of the micro's
just an inch or so -- so that the black side doesn't show? I understand
that it would be costly on fridge as you would have to do the entire
sides, as not all fridges are snuggled into a cab.

I planned for that in our build, by making the two cabs flanking
the micro 14" deep, rather than the typical 13" deep for upper
cabs...also took out the 2x4's behind the fridge (framed it out
like a window) and the fridge was able to slide in further to avoid
looking at the black side. ( which would have driven me nuts)
We also made the cabs above the micro a little shorter, so that
the micro doesn't hang down lower than the cabs.

My old GE proline was counter depth, but lasted only a four years.
This new one was taller and deeper, so we had to also bring out
the side wall a couple inches more (two years ago) to get it
to look counter depth.

I also like that the cabs are not straight across...notice the
micro has no greasy grill on top of the door? This must have been
designed by a woman.
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I LOVE your kitchen. Beautiful cabinets!
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Old 10-05-2013, 11:35 AM   #24
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Not only would it be more expensive to purchase an over the stove
micro, then there is the installation. If you're not capable of DIY,
then the installation and electrical work could be costly.
Also, factor in that the cab above the
stove may need to be cut down and re-made to fit the area.

Hope the DIY gal comes back so that we can help her achieve her
original goal -- of installing the micro in an existing cabinet.
If the hood's 27" tall then that's more than enough room for just about any microwave I've ever seen.

That and since it's got a blower in it there may well already be sufficient wiring present to replace it with a microwave. A point I'd considered before suggesting the possibility.

A picture of it would certainly help. Both relating to the re-painting of it or the replacement of it with a microwave.

There's different ways to look at things. Sometimes suggestions to go a bit outside the box can help find a better solution. I try not to assume people don't have the skills. Nor what they do or don't have to spend. Because if they learn of a different solution that's often great motivator for learning new skills. Or appreciate when paying a pro to step in help is really worthwhile.
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If the hood's 27" tall then that's more than enough room for just about any microwave I've ever seen.

That and since it's got a blower in it there may well already be sufficient wiring present to replace it with a microwave. A point I'd considered before suggesting the possibility.

A picture of it would certainly help. Both relating to the re-painting of it or the replacement of it with a microwave.

There's different ways to look at things. Sometimes suggestions to go a bit outside the box can help find a better solution. I try not to assume people don't have the skills. Nor what they do or don't have to spend. Because if they learn of a different solution that's often great motivator for learning new skills. Or appreciate when paying a pro to step in help is really worthwhile.


Yes, you have a valid point regarding going outside the box to suggest
another way of doing things. Also, being able to help a poster
with their original question; after all this is why they came
here in the first place.
When a poster asks "how is a style installed" she is obviously
a novice and is seeking help on installing a micro in her existing cabs.
So, try and help with a solution to her problem.

DIsclaimer...There is nothing wrong with being a novice at home improvements,
that's the way we all started before becoming 'experts' on the internet, isn't it?


Listen to what people are asking, a suggestion
for an alternative way of doing things is fine, however,
first and foremost though, should be to keep in mind that many times a
poster is posing a particular question, such as DIY gal did for good reason.
I'm sure she has seen above the stove micros, they've been around for thirty years or so.

Now if DIY gal returns, I have another suggestion for her.

Thanks Royalacresrod.
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Old 10-06-2013, 12:17 AM   #26
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Thanks to everyone for your wonderful suggestions! Yes...I'm still here and have tried three times to post a few photos of my little galley kitchen re-do project, I just can not get the photos to post for some reason. I'll try again tomorrow but I thought I should give more info in response to your ideas.

Yes, I'm a novice with a minimal budget. If I could I would purchase all new cabinets, granite countertops, stainless steel appliances and that over the range microwave! But I can not. I want to make it as nice as possible on a shoestring. That's why I'm doing all the work I can handle on my own.

In reality, the kitchen is coming along nicely compared to what it looked like last month. I removed a drop ceiling which included florescent lighting and I had to patch and sand more than a few big holes in the drywall. I hired an electrician to install recessed lighting and a new light fixture above the sink. And I hired a plumber to install a new faucet and a disposal. Purchased new cabinet hardware and glass inserts for existing upper cabinet doors (and it's not the same glass as the sample, but that's another story).

What's left to do is 1- decide if the big Avacado range hood gets painted stainless steel (can't decide on wall color until that decision is made). 2- Try to find a way to get the microwave and possibly the toaster oven off of the countertop without losing much needed cabinet space. 3-Choose a color and either paint or wallpaper the walls.

I would consider that above the range microwave if there were already a cabinet above the range. There is not....just a 27" Avacado range hood that is attached to a 12-1/2" (what I believe is called) soffit that my upper cabinets and range hood are attached to. The old drop ceiling was attached to that soffit. If I just installed the above the range microwave, without adding a new cabinet, the microwave would be way too high for me to reach into it.

Hopefully, I can post a few pics tomorrow. It's late...thanks again for all of your ideas...goodnight folks!
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Oh, and TwoKnots...I'm in love with your kitchen! Quite jealous, it's beautiful!
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Old 10-06-2013, 08:42 AM   #28
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Ugh...still no success at posting those pics! Have to run off to work, will try again when I get off!
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I am impressed DIYgal with your enthusiasm and willingness to jump in
head first to tackle your galley kitchen. I know it's not always easy for
a woman to tackle big projects like this. However, from what you have
already described -- I know you'll have success in completing your kitchen
project. That drop ceiling you tackled must have been a daunting task,
but you did it, didn't you?

Take a lot of pics of your kitchen so that we can see if
there are any other areas that you can put your micro...
Also, what are the measurements of your micro? What about the area
where your kitchen table is? Any room around there? Take pics of
that area as well.

I too, don't like toaster ovens or micros on top of counters. The micro
takes up too much room and the toaster oven to me only looks good
the first couple of weeks, then it gets unsightly looking.
We made a pull out shelf for our toaster oven inside of our bottom
cabinet in the eating area of our kitchen. We just have to pull
out the drawer and it's operational. I think it's used everyday.
I am wondering if that's an option for you...need to see pics first.

I like the glass in the cabs, did you do all your top cabs like that?
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