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Old 06-17-2013, 02:35 PM   #16
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I had this thought... minor issue: the roof lines right up underneath a door that comes off the 2nd floor master. I wouldn't be able to raise it on that side... only option would be to lower it on the other side. I'm definitely limited in the amount of pitch I can add.
If you cant drain the moat, raise the drawbridge.

Use smaller joists but more of them. You HAVE to have some height in the base flashing at the wall. That's probably why the current porch is rotten, leaking at the door sill. The membrane has to go under the door sill, up behind the jambs, and behind the felt, and door wraps.

How did roofer-over-rotten do it?

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Old 06-17-2013, 02:37 PM   #17
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How did roofer-over-rotten do it?
What do you mean?
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Old 06-17-2013, 02:57 PM   #18
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One look at that roof and I would have just refuse to do the job unless I was allowed to redo the whole thing.
He knew when he did the job it would never work.
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Old 06-17-2013, 03:00 PM   #19
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One look at that roof and I would have just refuse to do the job unless I was allowed to redo the whole thing.
He knew when he did the job it would never work.
I appreciate that. At least I don't feel like a total moron. I'm aware I made a couple risky decisions and got burned (going forward with roof even after seeing some rotten trim).

Assuming I rebuild from scratch, what is a reasonable price on a rubber roof, 120sqft? He charged me $1400 on round one.
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Old 06-17-2013, 08:46 PM   #20
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Even if you replace, (if that is even possible without doing damage to what is left), or reinforce the joists the rotted lumber on top will not bear the load of the OSB, roofing, snow load if any, evenly. I would bet the puddle may be an indication of that. Even if the leak has stopped the wood would have to be bone dry, and soaked with bleach or some other fungus killer to eliminate further decay. If the header is decayed then the contact points of the rafters must be too. If they are still wet between the surfaces they may not dry out for a long time and the decay could spread to the new wood which always has some moisture content for fungus to feed on.
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Old 06-18-2013, 09:46 AM   #21
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What do you mean?
I mean, how did the guy you had roof over your rotted deck handle the roof to wall, and roof to door sill situation? What do you mean, what do I mean???

Post some pictures of the door sill, and the wall. Wide shots and close ups. And you better strap a stud to your butt so you don't go all the way through the deck, from what you showed us.
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I mean, how did the guy you had roof over your rotted deck handle the roof to wall, and roof to door sill situation? What do you mean, what do I mean???

Post some pictures of the door sill, and the wall. Wide shots and close ups. And you better strap a stud to your butt so you don't go all the way through the deck, from what you showed us.
Oops. Just saw your post. No pics yet of that area but it looks like he basically just ran aluminum flashing all the way across where the roof meets the house. The rot is actually only bad within a 4 foot (ish) radius of the center of the header which faces the back yard... Basically this means the ledger is cool, many of the joists are cool. It's only about three joists that have rot and on two of them it's only kinda bad for the last couple feet. One of the three rotten joists is toast for the last few feet (technically the last few feet are non-existent now since I began demo). The header is also completely toast for about 4 feet centered. Unless you have a broken leg/back/arm/head wish I wouldn't be caught walking around up there (though I had walked around up there before discovering all of this rot.

The roofer offered to re-roof it for $450. I think that's pretty decent but obviously shows that he knows he screwed up.
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Based on the details in the previous post I'm wondering what you guys think of this plan which would allow me to save the roof. I'd also use a couple 2 x 4's and a car jack to jack up the joists while doing my work (see pic for the grand plan):

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After doing the work with the header I would keep the joists jacked then sister in new joists to the 3 that have some rot and toe-nail in to the ledger and header.

I'm pretty sure EVERYBODY is going to say this is a horrible idea and I should rip it down and start over.

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