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Old 05-09-2009, 07:22 PM   #31
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Yes - I used simpson L brackets under the stairs - I think they were 3" wide - so not a normal L bracket
I had cement block on the stairs & had my wife sit on them
Then I screwed each one in - starting at the lowest step
I am going to try it soon as I can. thanks
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Old 05-10-2009, 03:39 PM   #32
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hmmm...Texas, you and the Scuba just might be talking about different things :-)
anyways, what's better,ring shank or smooth nails?

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Ring. the rings hold better as the wood moves. The rings are very small though. Thats why screws are better. Also if repairs are ever needed much easier to remove screws than ring shanh nails. Good luck how ever you go. Have fun
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Old 05-10-2009, 09:22 PM   #34
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does this look like a decent deal?
304 STAINLESS STEEL 3" x .120 RING STRIP NAILS 21 PLASTIC 1M BOX
Price: $89.95
Full Round Head, Ring shank
1000 count, 304 Grade Stainless
FREE SHIPPING IN THE U.S.

I wonder,is .120 sufficient for stairs? the next size up is .131 for alot more.

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does this look like a decent deal?
304 STAINLESS STEEL 3" x .120 RING STRIP NAILS 21 PLASTIC 1M BOX
Price: $89.95
Full Round Head, Ring shank
1000 count, 304 Grade Stainless
FREE SHIPPING IN THE U.S.

I wonder,is .120 sufficient for stairs? the next size up is .131 for alot more.

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You get 2000 nails in a box right, thats $0.044975 per nail.
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Old 05-11-2009, 04:39 PM   #36
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I thought 1M means ONE thousand

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so,what's a "sonotube" anyway? and how would I use them to put a couple posts into the ground to support the stairs?

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I thought 1M means ONE thousand

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I did not see that. I get boxes of nails at 2000 per box and assumied that would hold ture to the ones you found. Still not too bad, but I am cheep so I wopuld look some more unless I had been looking a long time.
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I did not see that. I get boxes of nails at 2000 per box and assumied that would hold ture to the ones you found. Still not too bad, but I am cheep so I wopuld look some more unless I had been looking a long time.
whew! thought I was gonna hafta divide everything you said by 2
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Sono tube, and with post bracket
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I kinda had an idea of what they might be. now the important question:
my frost line here in colo. springs is 25 in. down. so I dig a hole how deep? does the top of the concrete have to be below 25 in. ? this will be a pretty deep hole!

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took down a couple stringers today. looks like whoever built the stairs used roofing nails to secure the hangers. those nails came right out. scary to think that those stairs were held up all these years by some roofing nails that came right out. good thing none of us in the family are heavyweights or that we never had anything real heavy brought into the house via those stairs! (like a fridge)

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I kinda had an idea of what they might be. now the important question:
my frost line here in colo. springs is 25 in. down. so I dig a hole how deep? does the top of the concrete have to be below 25 in. ? this will be a pretty deep hole!

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No - the top of the concrete is above ground level
The bottom must be below the frost line
The bottom dirt/rockmust be tamped down hard before the concrete is poured
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No - the top of the concrete is above ground level
The bottom must be below the frost line
The bottom dirt/rockmust be tamped down hard before the concrete is poured
whew...thought I was gonna hafta dig down to China

the hangers that were used to hold the stringers up (see my previous post) look like regular joist hangers EXCEPT the top part is angled to accomodate the angle of the stringer as it goes down to the ground. anyone know if HD or Lowes sells these?

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Yes - HD has the angled joist hangers
Lowes should have them too
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