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Old 04-19-2013, 10:47 AM   #16
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. Just how far down the rabbit hole do you expect this guy to go?
Just to be clear, I don't suggest the OP does anything to the size or swing of the doors.........

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Old 04-19-2013, 11:00 AM   #17
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If you have an architectural salvage yard in your area----you might find a pair of doors that could be cut and hung---Just a thought----Those could be restored but are all loose---a sound pair of antique doors just might be a better bet---
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Thank you for all of the great thoughts and advice so far. I will try to get additional quotes. Also, I will look for people that can do the job on site. The building is located in Chicago, IL.

Was in the process of soliciting other quotes for restoration when I came down with a cold. Doesn't help that it snows here in mid April!
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The doors are coming apart where they were originally glued and joined. They would have to be literally taken apart, and rejoined, and refinished. This might be worth it, but if it is not done right, they will simply come apart again.
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I would love to see a pic of the front of the building.....

As for those doors? Time for them to retire. I'm one of the biggest fans of saving old stuff.....but to be honest, those door are not exactly something I would want to 'restore'........Now...if they were solid oak....maybe. But they look to be pine.

I love the look of the light above the doors....dates them...but don't get rid of that look...and is also most likely part of the high cost.

If you don't go solid wood...then look at fiberglass....they don't rot or rust.
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The front entrance to our rental property needs work. The doors are loose. We were initially told by two contractors that the doors were beyond repair so we assumed replacement was our only option. I contacted a carpenter based on a referral and he actually thinks a restoration is a real option because the doors need some work, but they are "solid" and don't have any rot. Plus, considering that these may be the original white oak doors on a 100 year old building, he thinks it makes more sense to save the doors than to replace them with modern doors because they "don't make them like this anymore."

I'm torn. We've gotten a quote of $1500-2000 for the materials if we're looking to replace. I'm guessing labor will cost another $750. This carpenter wants $2000 to refurbish the current doors to their original quality.

On the one hand, there's something to be said about preserving the look of the doors. On the other hand, it'd be nice to install something new if the price is in the same general ballpark.

This is the front entrance so I really want to make the right decision on this one. I'd appreciate any and all opinions.
Save the top by new wood doors to fit the opening below the window and rip down one by boards to finish into existing frame and paint all with fresh white paint. Maybe add some dental trim to accent. Quotes seem a little high but I live in wisconsin not chicago.
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Salvage One---and there are others===architectural salvage yards----
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Personally, I would have the doors repaired. They look great.
Depending on your location, maybe try to have a thermopane glass fit in at the same time.
Good idea, Replace the glass at the same time.
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Just to make it fun for you guys, here is the code from Chicago Building Department. Seem it depends on the capacity of the building:

13-160-250 Swing of doors – Exceptions.

All doors required as exit doors shall swing in the direction of exit travel with the following exceptions:

(a) In residential units, doors serving one dwelling unit, including horizontal sliding doors that can be readily opened without the use of a key from the side from which egress is made.
(b) In residential, business and mercantile units, outside exit doors serving not more than 50 persons;

If it's a resident builidng that has less than 50 residents they can swing in. However, I do like the NFPA link provided and I'd hate to be in the position of people getting stuck in there. Can these doors be opened in 1 motion? Is the lock for the door connected to the door handle? FYI from the picture it doesn't look like it (if there even is a lock there).

Straight up, coming from someone who is restoring 100 year old trim, replace the doors with new ones and keep your tenants safe. Wanna save a couple bucks? Do the job yourself, it's NOT that hard. In my opinion, keeping those doors is just inviting a problem and look at it like this. Let's say, God Forbid there is a fire and someone does die trying to get those doors open in a panic, would you want their family's attorney to find this discussion and bring it back on you?

Just replace them and make them swing out for safety concerns.
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Just replace them and make them swing out for safety concerns.

What happens when there's a 2' wet snow drift against the door? He should probably tear the stoop out while he's at it and put in some hydronic heat under the stoop. And don't forget the panic bars. And the tamper proof hinges. ANd as long as we're spending his money, I think fully sprinkling the both stories is order...............

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Since you bring up spending his money let's look at this, keep in mind he's in Chicago and I'm in Ohio, slight difference in prices I'm sure but not huge (I'm just outside of Cleveland here):

He can buy a set of commercial grade exterior doors for under a grand, doesn't have to spend 2 grand on just the doors. Add in say 750 (really high) to install 2 doors, say they are new construction style and need some framing and a few materials like 2 x 6's for a header (which it appears is quite sufficient already on this building) and he is in the clear for LESS than refinishing those doors per the quote he supplied.

My personal opinion on this job is he could be out of it for $1500 or less installing doors that swing outwards, reduce the risks in the event of a fire and have a better looking building.

Even better, I found a supplier of commercial doors in Chicago that has the wooden doors starting under $640, swinging out just no glass in them. I'm sure if the OP were to talk to them he could probably get a great price on what he needs and wants for this building.

http://absupply.net/complete-door-un...oor-units.aspx
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Since you bring up spending his money let's look at this, keep in mind he's in Chicago and I'm in Ohio, slight difference in prices I'm sure but not huge (I'm just outside of Cleveland here):

He can buy a set of commercial grade exterior doors for under a grand, doesn't have to spend 2 grand on just the doors. Add in say 750 (really high) to install 2 doors, say they are new construction style and need some framing and a few materials like 2 x 6's for a header (which it appears is quite sufficient already on this building) and he is in the clear for LESS than refinishing those doors per the quote he supplied.

My personal opinion on this job is he could be out of it for $1500 or less installing doors that swing outwards, reduce the risks in the event of a fire and have a better looking building.

Even better, I found a supplier of commercial doors in Chicago that has the wooden doors starting under $640, swinging out just no glass in them. I'm sure if the OP were to talk to them he could probably get a great price on what he needs and wants for this building.

http://absupply.net/complete-door-un...oor-units.aspx
I was over $1500 with the options necessary to replace his existing door by using your link, and I still couldn't find the tamper-proof hinges and the transom to match. Perhaps he could find an installer who really needs work and is willing to pay him to perform the work so that he can keep it under $1500?????
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REally? Because when I ran it bare bones minimum to replace and be secure it came out to $1182.07 including shipping. But wait, he's in Chicago and the company is in Chicago so he could save the $339.00 shipping cost for 1 set of doors and get this for $843.00 plus install. Hmmm.... All he has to do is go pick it up.

He only needs 1 door to swing normally, the other door he has is locked into position most of the time and only swings if someone undoes the locking pins. Window isn't a necessity in this door, but it would be good to have so he'd be back up around a grand to have his window again.

oh yeah, that front stop does need repaired too now that you mentioned it.

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