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Ray&Paula 10-23-2012 01:24 PM

Nail or Staple Knotty Pine TIG Ceiling??
 
Hi,
I am installing a 3/4" TIG knotty pine ceiling directly over my ceiling joists. I would like to know what your suggestions are in regards to what type of air gun to use. Staple or nail gun? Also, what gauge along with length would you suggest? Your help and expertise is most appreciated. Thanks, Ray

funfool 10-23-2012 01:41 PM

I have done several tongue and groove ceilings. Have some that are 10 years old and never had a call back or a problem with them.
I use a senco finish gun with a 2 1/2" nail. I use this mainly because it is what I carry on my truck, I use them for setting doors and always have a box with me.

I am going to say that a staple will have more holding power then a nail, it may be better for your application, I have never had a problem with a nail.

md2lgyk 10-23-2012 05:38 PM

Same here. All the ceilings in my log home are 1x6 tongue & groove. Put it all up with a finish nailer.

joecaption 10-23-2012 05:53 PM

I have both and I find the narrow crown staple gun far easyer to use. It's lighter, more holding power. The tip fits perfect to line it up.

woodworkbykirk 10-23-2012 07:09 PM

both work equally well, the only difference with staples is that you cant face nail in situations where you need to add a fastener to hold in the odd spot. ... well you can but it will look terrible

firehawkmph 10-23-2012 11:39 PM

Like Funfool,
I use a 2 1/2" finish nail. I nail through the bevel next to the male tongue. Nails aren't completely hidden, but not really noticeable. You might want to check with your local building dept and see if they require drywall underneath.
Mike Hawkins:)

Ray&Paula 10-24-2012 09:36 AM

:thumbup: Thanks for your replies! I believe I'll go ahead and use a 2 1/2" finish nail gun. I looked at the Bostitch N62FNK-2 (Link below), it had good reviews. The gun comes with a few different tips with one of them made for TIG. One other plus is that nails are readily available. Thanks again for your help! Ray:clap:

http://www.bostitch.com/default.asp?CATEGORY=BOS_FINISH_AND_TRIM_NAILER&TY PE=PRODUCT&PARTNUMBER=N62FNK-2&SDesc=15-Gauge+Oil-Free+Angled+Finish+Nailer+Kit

joecaption 10-24-2012 10:33 AM

Just so you know a narrow crown staple gun leaves such a small hole it's almost invisable.
I use mine all the time when laying 1/4 plywood underlayment, the holes are so small you do not even need to go back and fill them even when linolium is going down over it.

Ray&Paula 10-24-2012 11:34 AM

Hi,
I agree that a staple gun would be a stronger hold, but length of the staples are my concern. I'm under the impression that for a ceiling application 2 to 2 1/2" nails were the best due to their length. What size staples are you using? Thanks, Ray

joecaption 10-24-2012 11:38 AM

I use 3/8" or 1/2" thick T & G on ceilings with 1-1/2 staples. Never had a call back for loose of sagging ceiling.

Ray&Paula 10-24-2012 11:51 AM

Hi,
I'm using 3/4" TIG end matched. With your application, I can see that a staple gun would be the perfect solution. I've seen TIG nailed/stapled on the tongue side as well as the groove side. In your opinion, what would be the best of the two? Thanks again, Ray :)

user1007 10-24-2012 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by firehawkmph (Post 1036845)
You might want to check with your local building dept and see if they require drywall underneath.
Mike Hawkins:)

Thanks Mike! I didn't want this suggestion to get ignored or buried and fear it did. I suspect you need a fire barrier to meet code and satisfy your fire insurance carrier? Will they sign off on 3/4" wood T&G itself where you are?

funfool 10-24-2012 02:48 PM

Here it does pass code by going to the joist with no drywall, but that may not be the case everywhere and is good to check.

Never hurts to mention to be careful on a ladder installing it.
Last one I did couple months ago, I was on rolling scaffolding and peak of the ceiling was at 15', my employer was standing on a 12' step ladder turned sideways to get close to the wall, bent over backwards trying to beat a warped t&g board into place.
He pushed the ladder out from under him, landed on a concrete slab shoulders first, put his head through the wall, knocked him out.
Call an ambulance, spent the night in the hospital, off work for a week.

This stupid accident could have been avoided and happened while installing the product we are talking about.

BE CAREFUL ON A LADDER!

firehawkmph 10-24-2012 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by sdsester (Post 1037110)
Thanks Mike! I didn't want this suggestion to get ignored or buried and fear it did. I suspect you need a fire barrier to meet code and satisfy your fire insurance carrier? Will they sign off on 3/4" wood T&G itself where you are?

By me, if the ceiling is in the house or attached garage, they would want drywall underneath. Detached garage they don't care.
Mike Hawkins:)


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