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09-23-2008, 05:59 PM
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Nail fins
What is the gut feeling about using either a roofing gun or a metal cap gun with ring shanks to install windows with a aluminum nailing fin?
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09-23-2008, 09:12 PM
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Building codes guy, Mod
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Nail fins
You could probably do it with a roofing nailer, but why? Hand-driving nails through the nailing fin is normal and usually isn't a challenge. I certainly wouldn't use a ramset nailer if that's what you mean by cap gun.
I'd hand drive them.
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09-23-2008, 10:02 PM
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Lic. Builder/GC/Remodeler
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Nail fins
Hand drive.
Roofing guns can damage the nailing fins with their force: Crack, split, chip, etc.
...unlesss you have a gun with some kind of an attachment specifcally, for such installations.
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Last edited by AtlanticWBConst.; 09-23-2008 at 10:05 PM.
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09-23-2008, 11:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thekctermite
You could probably do it with a roofing nailer, but why? Hand-driving nails through the nailing fin is normal and usually isn't a challenge. I certainly wouldn't use a ramset nailer if that's what you mean by cap gun.
I'd hand drive them.
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I realize that it's not a challenge normally but I've been thinking about it for some time and with the conditions of an upcoming job I thought I'd ask around ie .45 windows and doors 1" wall sheathing, almost all windows need to be planked to get to and on and on. Just looking for a way to pick up some time. By the way, roofing guns only fire to 1 3/4" I need a minimum of 2". The cap gun I referred to is a plastic cap gun although I planned to use 2" ring shank metal cap nails. Actually the cap gun fires to 3" I believe. I was just wondering if anyone had tried it. Thanks for your comments.
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09-24-2008, 12:34 AM
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Building codes guy, Mod
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Nail fins
Why on earth do you need 2" nails to secure a window's nailing fin? Seems mightly long to me.
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09-24-2008, 06:44 AM
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Lic. Builder/GC/Remodeler
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Nail fins
In the industry, is a pretty much known point, that you do not want to use a roofing gun on vinyl window nailing fins. As stated, they can damage the vinyl fins, especially in cold weather installations, when the vinyl is more brittle.
Never sacrifice a quality installation, just because you want to make things go quicker, or easier on yourself, even if that means that you can increase your profit margin.
Additionally, you may affect the window warranty.
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09-24-2008, 09:11 AM
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Nail fins
Quote:
Originally Posted by thekctermite
Why on earth do you need 2" nails to secure a window's nailing fin? Seems mightly long to me.
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I say that's a minimum because, like I said, 1" foam sheathing is existing! Now you know! What would you use when the wall sheathing was 1" foam?
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09-24-2008, 09:16 AM
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Nail fins
Quote:
Originally Posted by AtlanticWBConst.
In the industry, is a pretty much known point, that you do not want to use a roofing gun on vinyl window nailing fins. As stated, they can damage the vinyl fins, especially in cold weather installations, when the vinyl is more brittle.
Never sacrifice a quality installation, just because you want to make things go quicker, or easier on yourself, even if that means that you can increase your profit margin.
Additionally, you may affect the window warranty.
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Well put!
I do have a call in to my supplier. The reason I asked was the windows I am using are wood aluminum clad with a aluminum fin. Believe me, I've been spanked before trying to save some time. I've bing this for thirty years and that has been my opinion. Just thought I'd throw the question out there. Thank's for your comments.
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09-24-2008, 09:33 AM
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Building codes guy, Mod
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Nail fins
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Mus
I say that's a minimum because, like I said, 1" foam sheathing is existing! Now you know! What would you use when the wall sheathing was 1" foam?
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I wouldn't install a window over foam, I'd cut the foam back.
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09-24-2008, 10:02 AM
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Nail fins
Quote:
Originally Posted by thekctermite
I wouldn't install a window over foam, I'd cut the foam back.
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Well, the existing were and that is a common spec. If you cut back you have to pad back out or you have tons of problems in and out.
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09-25-2008, 06:55 AM
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Nail fins
Well, while speeding up the job, don't leave the metal flashing out. That'll cost you some day. 
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09-25-2008, 05:11 PM
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Nail fins
Quote:
Originally Posted by tinner666
Well, while speeding up the job, don't leave the metal flashing out. That'll cost you some day. |
I bent
all the flashing today. My quess is I will continue to hand nail.
FYI. the following is response I got back from Andersen:
Thank you for contacting the Andersen WindowCare(R) Solution Center regarding Andersen(R) products. We are glad to assist you in answering your questions.
We have no specific recommendations for or against using a nail gun. We are sorry if this causes you any inconvenience..
Looks like they don't want to say yes or no.
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