DIY Chatroom Home Improvement Forum

DIY Chatroom Home Improvement Forum (http://www.diychatroom.com/)
-   Carpentry (http://www.diychatroom.com/f14/)
-   -   Are my windows installed wrong? (http://www.diychatroom.com/f14/my-windows-installed-wrong-43546/)

bogamilsan 04-30-2009 10:21 AM

Are my windows installed wrong?
 
I just moved into a home with most of its windows replaced, however they left the finishing to me -- the new owner. So there are no exterior or interior trims.
..the new Andersen windows replaced bigger windows, so whoever installed these had to build up the surround (with 2x4's, drywall, insulation, exterior siding, etc) so that the new (smaller) windows would fit.
The problem is it appears that they installed the windows AFTER they built up the exterior. So the exterior siding of the house (boarding) is underneath the metal casing of the window, ie. you can see the nail heads.
My question is, isn't this a wrong way to install windows? Do I have to redo all these installs (over 10)? Or is this an ok lazy technique of installation -- and I should just finish the trim?
Also on the inside the jamb extensions are like ~1 inch too short as a result of the window depth being pushed out by the depth of the siding.
Thanks in advance!



Link to photos:
http://picasaweb.google.com/bogamils...eat=directlink

joed 04-30-2009 12:07 PM

Thise windows are ready for sding to be installed up to them. The flange with the nails is definitely supposed to be UNDER the siding.

skymaster 04-30-2009 12:32 PM

Find that builder and installer, drag em out to the house, shove a stick of Dynamite as far as you can, put a 3' fuse on it and light it. They have until that fuse burns down to get it fixed.:yes:
Oh Yeah they pay for the new siding also. I am serious, I would most likely have a lawyer on standby

TazinCR 04-30-2009 12:48 PM

Need to install "J" channel around the window before siding.

bogamilsan 04-30-2009 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joed (Post 267626)
Thise windows are ready for sding to be installed up to them. The flange with the nails is definitely supposed to be UNDER the siding.


I know its hard to tell because of the dark color/photo, but the siding is underneath the tar paper. Best to see in the 3rd pic.

Stupid huh? So it looks like I have to redo the installs... 10+ windows, yuck.

drtbk4ever 04-30-2009 01:35 PM

Didn't you have the home inspected before you purchased it?

That screw up should have been really obvious and shouldn't fall onto your shoulders to fix.

bogamilsan 04-30-2009 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drtbk4ever (Post 267658)
Didn't you have the home inspected before you purchased it?

That screw up should have been really obvious and shouldn't fall onto your shoulders to fix.


Part of the joys of a short sale. I got a good deal, just have to work through the projects.

I just wanted to make sure I (or someone I hire) finish these windows right.

Michael Thomas 04-30-2009 04:50 PM

http://paragoninspects.com/images/ex...equence-fr.jpg

Go here: http://web.pella.com/supportcenter/i...tructions.aspx

and click on any of the links to double hung windows for details of a typical installation.

drtbk4ever 04-30-2009 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bogamilsan (Post 267660)
Part of the joys of a short sale. I got a good deal, just have to work through the projects.

I just wanted to make sure I (or someone I hire) finish these windows right.

I gotcha. You can live with a little crap when you got in on SALE!!!!:thumbup:

LookoutRanch 04-30-2009 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bogamilsan (Post 267582)
I just moved into a home with most of its windows replaced, however they left the finishing to me -- the new owner. So there are no exterior or interior trims.
..the new Andersen windows replaced bigger windows, so whoever installed these had to build up the surround (with 2x4's, drywall, insulation, exterior siding, etc) so that the new (smaller) windows would fit.
The problem is it appears that they installed the windows AFTER they built up the exterior. So the exterior siding of the house (boarding) is underneath the metal casing of the window, ie. you can see the nail heads.
My question is, isn't this a wrong way to install windows? Do I have to redo all these installs (over 10)? Or is this an ok lazy technique of installation -- and I should just finish the trim?
Also on the inside the jamb extensions are like ~1 inch too short as a result of the window depth being pushed out by the depth of the siding.
Thanks in advance!



Link to photos:
http://picasaweb.google.com/bogamils...eat=directlink

Maybe the installer mistook the siding for the sheathing. :laughing:

Maybe he was going to re-side or stucco it. :whistling2:

It looks like they pretty much ignored the flashing tape, too. :huh:

bogamilsan 04-30-2009 10:46 PM

Thanks for the replies, I'm going to contact someone to redo these things.

How much should I expect per window if I ask for re-installation and exterior trim?

Mop in Hand 04-30-2009 11:11 PM

Could be the previous owner had planned to side over the old siding and the windows. It is missing the flashing tape if that's the case. I've seen worse.

CrossWorks 04-30-2009 11:46 PM

My first question would be; "Are the 10 or so windows installed exactly like the ones shown in the picture?

Because I can tell you that, when a house has existing shiplap siding boards or the dreaded T-111 junk, unless the windows are installed prior to the siding going up, reinstalling these will be an nightmare. well....not really.

First of all, if you do have someone re-do these, here are the challenges.
  • Your going to have to live with having a narrow trim detail around your window. Something like 2-3/4" trim. I would reccommend 908 Staff Bead Brickmoulding Casing. You can't go any wider because if you do, your essentually cutting the siding off of the framing. Meaning; there should be 3" of framing around the window opening which means a stud and jack stud nailed together.
  • The next problem will be getting the top trim in between the newly installed head flashing and the top of the window. I would suggest ripping an 1/8" off the top of the head trim to make it 1-7/8". This will give you a little playroom to wedge it in there.
  • Also make sure he trims it in picture frame manner. Top piece first, then the sides and finally the bottom piece goes in between the side pieces. Make sure he sprays all the cuts with a Kilz Spray primer
  • The one bonus here may be that the extensions will now come in flush to your interior wall.
My best guess for an expense to fix this debacle would be about 2.5 hrs per window on the 1st floor and 3 hrs for 2nd floor units. Not sure what his hourly rate is but $40 is a good number for someone who knows what their doing. So it's about a $1,200 to $1,300 expense.

Good Luck! :wink:

bogamilsan 05-01-2009 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrossWorks (Post 267915)
My first question would be; "Are the 10 or so windows installed exactly like the ones shown in the picture?

Because I can tell you that, when a house has existing shiplap siding boards or the dreaded T-111 junk, unless the windows are installed prior to the siding going up, reinstalling these will be an nightmare. well....not really.

First of all, if you do have someone re-do these, here are the challenges.
  • Your going to have to live with having a narrow trim detail around your window. Something like 2-3/4" trim. I would reccommend 908 Staff Bead Brickmoulding Casing. You can't go any wider because if you do, your essentually cutting the siding off of the framing. Meaning; there should be 3" of framing around the window opening which means a stud and jack stud nailed together.
  • The next problem will be getting the top trim in between the newly installed head flashing and the top of the window. I would suggest ripping an 1/8" off the top of the head trim to make it 1-7/8". This will give you a little playroom to wedge it in there.
  • Also make sure he trims it in picture frame manner. Top piece first, then the sides and finally the bottom piece goes in between the side pieces. Make sure he sprays all the cuts with a Kilz Spray primer
  • The one bonus here may be that the extensions will now come in flush to your interior wall.
My best guess for an expense to fix this debacle would be about 2.5 hrs per window on the 1st floor and 3 hrs for 2nd floor units. Not sure what his hourly rate is but $40 is a good number for someone who knows what their doing. So it's about a $1,200 to $1,300 expense.

Good Luck! :wink:


Thanks for your input, it's very helpful.

The siding is reverse board and batten. And yes all 10 are installed like this.

I would have to get new plywood siding and cut to fit the perimeter of each window and seal the seams where the filler pieces butt up against the existing siding, right? That would mean if you were up close you could see a rectangular seam in the siding around each window.

The other thought that came to mind is to rip off the adjacent pieces of siding as a whole and cut the new 4x8 sheets to fit the new window size. Is that even possible with the overlap installation of these boards.

I'm not sure I understand the narrow trim detail limitation because of the stud and jack stud width. How wide can you go with a non debacled window install and why?

Michael Thomas 05-01-2009 06:13 AM

IMO as a practical matter you are going to be able to get away with murder in terms of weather-tight installation of the windows under the porch, they are primarily a cosmetic problem.

You're going to have bigger problems with windows in exposed locations, don't know what your budget is like, but at rehabs of my own rental property I've sometimes found it simpler just to bite the bullet and re-frame slightly oversize, in the end I got a much more satisfactory result both aesthetically and likely in terms of long-term performance.

Home Inspection: "A business with illogically high liability, slim profit margins and limited economies of scale. An incredibly diverse, multi-disciplined consulting service, delivered under difficult in-field circumstances, before a hostile audience in an impossibly short time frame, requiring the production of an extraordinarily detailed technical report, almost instantly, without benefit of research facilities or resources." - Alan Carson


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:47 PM.


Copyright 2003-2014 Escalate Media LP. All Rights Reserved