Larry's New House

LARRY

QUESTION: My framer made a mistake and put TJI hangers to high. He says he can fix it by ripping the bottom part of the TJI 2 inches, and then lowering the TJI into the hanger. he says it will not effect the strength of the TJI. Is this correct?

HCI

do you mean the framer wants to notch the TGI to fit into the hanger? If so, STOP HIM. Have him remove the hanger and lower them the 2". Yes he will weeken the TGI and you may not pass your framing inspection.

hatchet

If you want to give him a confirmation that it's not acceptable goto www.trusjoist.com and download their TJI manual. It specifically states no cutting of the top or bottom flange. I call it a flange - they might call it chord.

Grumpy

I was on a jobsite once and I was watching the GC supervising his framers who were putting a pre-engineered floor joist in backwards so the AC duct space didn't line up. I told him it was backwards and needed to be flipped around. He shrugged and said "We'll just cut the hole in the joist.

I didn't complain since it's not my problem but my point is: These "I'll just...." answers are always a big problem. He should do it to the plan specifications.

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Glasshousebltr

First thing you should do, is make sure your framer is not smokeing crack.

Grumpy

The framers were obviously unskilled laborers and the GC was doing his own framing, by instructing the unskilled guys. I guess the GC was also obviously unskilled. As a matter of fact I spoke with himm today about an unpaid partial balance.

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LARRY

Thanks everyone for the comments. It helped, I told the framer to lower the hanger the 2" and he did. I also told him to stop smoking crack on the job. Larry

hatchet

LOL.. way to go.

LARRY

Larry again folks. This time my framer is saying although we signed a contract for a certain amount, he is not able to complete the job because he says the plans were wrong. The roof system does not match the plans, he says the designer, the engineer and whoever else put it togeather was not in the field to see it did not work the way they designed it. My question is, who is most lible for screwing up. The designer, the carpenter, or the engineer?

hatchet

Here's the way I look at it. If the framer did a takeoff they should have seen issues before they ever started work. And even if the plans are wrong - how different could 2 roofs be on the same house. If it goes from hip to gable it's the same amount of wood and vice versa.
Tell the framer to meet with the designer/engineer for a couple hours and figure it out - and offer to pay for the 2 hours of coordination. Then when you have it figured out tell him to quit his damn whining and do what he promised in the contract.