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Old 02-18-2014, 07:25 PM   #1
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A rental apartment of mine had a kitchen drain leak. The tenant didn't know it was leaking and it dripped into the bottom of the sink cabinet then behind there.

Long story short, the piece of toe kick needs to be replaced. It was particle board and once wet, swollen like a sponge. The cabinets are white.

I plan to rip a new strip of 1X lumber, paint it white.

Question is, I should be using PT lumber? Or regular wood is OK?

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Old 02-18-2014, 09:24 PM   #2
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It's not typical for any part of a cabinet to be PT.


But it's not going to hurt anything if you do use pt for the replacement.

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Old 02-18-2014, 09:29 PM   #3
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Yes it will, pressure treated should not be used inside a home, it will be full of knots, and you would have to wait months for it to dry out enough to finish.
Toe kicks are plywood not 1 X.
Most often just a thin layer.
If the drain was leaking then I'd bet the whole thing is also shot under the sink not just the toe kick.
Often times it's faster and cheaper to just replace the whole thing.
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Joe, the plumbing leak was already fixed. The other stuff you mentioned was also addressed. The piece of wood at the bottom of the sink cabinet was replaced as well. The overall damage wasn't too bad, strange that only the toe kick was particle board.

I removed the existing toe kick and it's exactly the same thickness and width as a 1X4. It's white. It's not that visible, I don't see the need to use veneered ply and rip into 1X4s. I was thinking PT 1X4 will be better if there is another leak in the future.
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Do what you want, but it's the wrong thing to use. Once it dries out it's going to shrink a lot.
That would be like using pressure treated as window trim because a window "might" leak.
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Window trims I look at every day.

Toe kicks are underneath and tucked away, get kicked and smuges on them. I could see if your cabinets are cherry or maple natural finish and the need to match. But if painted white seems a practical thing.

How much shrinkage is expected? We put PT bottom plates down against concrete slab or PT studs against exterior concrete walls all the time, with regular wood studs over them, when they dry out I really never noticed any VISUALLY APPTECIABLE shrinkages as it seems the PT and non-PT are still perfectly flushed with each other, they warp badly if you nail or screw them down while wet though, learned a hard lesson not to more than I need for a few days LOL.
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It's on the pricey side but you could use PVC trim boards instead of PT. Won't rot and you don't need to paint it.
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It's on the pricey side but you could use PVC trim boards instead of PT. Won't rot and you don't need to paint it.
Azek is sold at Home Depot. Can be cut with woodworking saws. Can be nailed or glued in place.
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Azek is sold at Home Depot. Can be cut with woodworking saws. Can be nailed or glued in place.
May be I'll look into that. When you cut it with a miter saw does it "melt"?
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Once again completely wrong material for a simple toe kick.
Do you really want a white 3/4" thick toe kick?
Making this much more complicated then it needs to be.
A factory toe kick is nothing more then 1/4" thick plywoood.
Once the leak under the sink is taken care of it, if done right should never leak again.
We own three houses we rent out and have owned dozens and never once have we used pressure treated or PVC.
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The pretty side of the toe kick is usually 1/4" plywood. There's usually a backer behind it that's 3/4" thick. 1/4 would never stand up to being kicked.
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if the toe kick was particle board then most surely it was 3/4". Azek is the way to go. do it once and done. PT does not take paint well at all and would be a mistake.

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