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Old 06-23-2014, 08:18 PM   #16
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thanx all...

my application today, is building my first outdoor farmhouse table. I have roughly 24 pocket holes to make. I can drill on an angle - but what if i get that wrong... or i get the jig... and voila!

that's why i asked about the two methods - countersink on an angle versus kreg jig.

i definitely want to mortese and tenon - but dont have the time to learn the skill right now - wife and kids naggy me on when the patio table will be built. if i go the M&T route - i think i will have it done by winter! hehe

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Kreg jig, glue and screw, or biscuit joint, glue and clamp.


In my opinion, it the only way to go if you want it done quick and easy...
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..........i definitely want to mortese and tenon - but dont have the time to learn the skill right now.........
I can't help with the time factor but Festool has a Tool that somewhat reduces the learning time but it is Recommended Just for Pro's .
http://www.garymkatz.com/ToolReviews/festool_domino.htm
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.........Here is more on Mortise & Tenon:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortise_and_tenon
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For what I mostly do repairing furniture for friends the one hole Kreg Jig works best for me.
Pocket Hole Joinery dates back to ancient Egypt.But then without pocket screws they had to use wooden dowels in an angled hole:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocket-Hole_Joinery
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Hi PaliBob

Thats an amazing tool - well out of my budget, considering i am looking at a $5 option vs. $45...

if i becoming a carpenter on the side for my friends, i might look at this.

but baby steps...

is it okay to screw the table together to see the fit and then unscrew, to stain and screw again (with glue)
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Hi PaliBob Thats an amazing tool - well out of my budget, considering i am looking at a $5 option vs. $45... if i becoming a carpenter on the side for my friends, i might look at this. but baby steps... is it okay to screw the table together to see the fit and then unscrew, to stain and screw again (with glue)
One option....make the screws/bolts a decorative feature. It really opens up your options on design.
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.......is it okay to screw the table together to see the fit and then unscrew, to stain and screw again...... (with glue
This thread was started on pocket joinery. Now to go to the next step and build your table I suggest that you start a new thread on how to build the table. We don't know your skill level,, what tools you have, what kind of wood, what size is the wood and the table and what do mean by a Farm Table? Is that like a picnic table with built in benches on two sides?
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thanx all...

my application today, is building my first outdoor farmhouse table. I have roughly 24 pocket holes to make. I can drill on an angle - but what if i get that wrong... or i get the jig... and voila!

that's why i asked about the two methods - countersink on an angle versus kreg jig.

i definitely want to mortese and tenon - but dont have the time to learn the skill right now - wife and kids naggy me on when the patio table will be built. if i go the M&T route - i think i will have it done by winter! hehe
That outdoor table would be a perfect project to hone your Kreg skills if you use outdoor screws. Possibly practice on some scrap lumber as there is a slight Kreg learning curve also.

Being mortice and tenon joints are so sensitive to expansion and contraction in my opinion the Kregs will excel in this outdoor application from frame joinery to top plank assembly to attaching bread board ends.

Come back with a picture when finished.
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If you plan to use your pocket hole jig several times you could make a jig like the one I made below. You do not have to use the pocket hole screws, just don't over tighten them. On a table you need to do the pocket hole screws from the bottom of the table top. Another thing to know about joining wood pocket hole method, it is a good idea to use a C clamp to hold the pieces flush while installing the screw, the wood sometimes tries to ride up because of it being screwed at an angle.
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I got one for Christmas a year ago---wow--great tool---I tend to be the last guy on the block to get try new methods---but those are great.
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If you plan to use your pocket hole jig several times you could make a jig like the one I made below. You do not have to use the pocket hole screws, just don't over tighten them. On a table you need to do the pocket hole screws from the bottom of the table top. Another thing to know about joining wood pocket hole method, it is a good idea to use a C clamp to hold the pieces flush while installing the screw, the wood sometimes tries to ride up because of it being screwed at an angle.
what is the material called that locks the wood in place. everything else looks like wood and screws.
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what is the material called that locks the wood in place. everything else looks like wood and screws.

Toggle clamp or push pull clamp
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Sorry to be so late answering your question, I have been carving a wooden P-51 Mustang airplane.

Mike answered right, it is a toggle and the rest is wood, saved a little pocket change and it works as well as the store bought ones. LOL
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Jim--my shop has many 'temporary' jigs like that one--

Often, I'll rig up something, figuring that I'll buy a fancy store bought one if it works----and then 10 or 15 years go by and I'm still using the home made rig---

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