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Old 06-18-2014, 10:26 AM   #1
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Doesn't using a countersink drill bit create the same effect (and bond) versus using a pocket hole jig (like kreg).

I agree the jig would give one consistent angles, but does the consistent of angles matter across projects?

i am thinking that the countersink drill bit, lets me drill the hole and use whatever screw i want! i am not forced to use Kreg screws (or are Kreg screws really that superior)

Cost wise - the drill bit is $5, the jig say r3 is $45

Am i missing something?

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Try it and see how it works.
You will soon find that angle, the drill guide bushing, depth gauge and the bullet point drill bit are all key components.

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I've tried it....but the effort to get it right is makes the $45 Kreg kit seem cheap.

Two main problems....

1. If you get the angle off or the depth incorrect, you stand a good chance of the screw tip busting out the other side.

2. Kreg uses a special drill bit and special screws. The bit gives the bottom of the hole very little camber and the screws are flat. This way you don't have a wedge action to split the wood. If you use the equivalent of a flat head screw, you will split the hole every time.

My pocket hole jig and biscuit cutter are two of my most important wood working tools.
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Also a lot easier to keep the finish face fairly even. Easier to predrill when pieces are not meant to meet in a plane.
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mmm - seems like a jig is a no brainer because its hassle free
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mmm - seems like a jig is a no brainer because its hassle free
The get started price for a Kreg Pocket Hole Kit is $19.97
This one hole jig is not for building stuff but mostly for repairing stuff.
The criticism that I have for the lower cost Kits is that they do not include a face clamp which I consider essential for holding the one or two hole Kits in place against the material being drilled.
The Kreg Mini Jig(for regular size Kreg pocket screws) is ~ $20
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Kreg-Mini...JKIT/100375609
The basic Kreg Face Clamp is ~ $20-$22
But for a starter, a Locking clamp with Swivel Pads can be used.
Pocket screws from Kreg with #7 shank are commonly available
but McFeely's has a large selection in #6 pocket screws with free shipping.
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I have tried the kreg jig and pocket hole machines.I ,in the end found very little use for them.They are not needed for gluing panels together.I don't like them for face frames .There are better methods.I sure the hell would not use them for doors or drawers and there are better methods for attaching face frames to cabinets
On the other hand I have found several uses for biscuit joinery.One being attaching face frames to cabinetry with an invisible joint.I would not use them in most applications but find them more usable than pocket screws in most applications.
I am an old school woodworker an prefer mortise and tenons or cope and stick but feel that biscuits are more useful than pocket screws overall.
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I agree, pocket screws just are not the greatest thing since sliced bread.
They have limited uses, however I when I do use them I would not go any other way then to use a jig. To me, it's worth the coin.



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I have tried the kreg jig and pocket hole machines.I ,in the end found very little use for them.They are not needed for gluing panels together.I don't like them for face frames .There are better methods.I sure the hell would not use them for doors or drawers and there are better methods for attaching face frames to cabinets
On the other hand I have found several uses for biscuit joinery.One being attaching face frames to cabinetry with an invisible joint.I would not use them in most applications but find them more usable than pocket screws in most applications.
I am an old school woodworker an prefer mortise and tenons or cope and stick but feel that biscuits are more useful than pocket screws overall.
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I have tried the kreg jig and pocket hole machines.I ,in the end found very little use for them.They are not needed for gluing panels together.I don't like them for face frames .There are better methods.I sure the hell would not use them for doors or drawers and there are better methods for attaching face frames to cabinets
On the other hand I have found several uses for biscuit joinery.One being attaching face frames to cabinetry with an invisible joint.I would not use them in most applications but find them more usable than pocket screws in most applications.
I am an old school woodworker an prefer mortise and tenons or cope and stick but feel that biscuits are more useful than pocket screws overall.
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I agree, pocket screws just are not the greatest thing since sliced bread.
They have limited uses, however I when I do use them I would not go any other way then to use a jig. To me, it's worth the coin.
I'm inclined to think you're doing it wrong.

I can't imagine building up a face frame now without using pocket screws. It lets me assemble everything....once I'm happy with it....take it apart....stain the pieces....then re-assemble while also gluing.
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I'm little nervous about the bunk bed. Pocket hole framing wasn't meant for carrying such a load. Are you sure about that?
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I admit my furnitures tend to be bunker like.
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Pocket holes have their place. If you're a beginner, making kids furniture, need to make a lot of stuff quickly, they're great.

They have no place in fine furniture, or anything that's meant to be multi-generational. That's where mortise and tenon, dovetail, rabbet, and other forms of joinery come in to play.

I don't have one, but I've heard if you need it, the Kreg jig is the only way to go too.
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As a stairbuilder i use it to assemble the risers to the back of the treads from behind, all prefabricated. Can't beat the hidden fasteners, and they make a squeak less stair everytime. I have since found multiple uses for it for things around the shop. I believe i am not alone in saying that the $45 price tag is worth it.

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