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Old 09-19-2011, 09:23 PM   #16
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How do I lay out picture molding boxes?


I think I have it narrowed down to this. Thoughts?

Also, how do I butt this 1" thick chair rail against a 5/8" thick door casing?
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You can use CAD to play with it. Something like Google Sketchup would work. As for doing it in the real world, you would use a coping saw to allow you to "mold" the chair rail against the door casing. Post a picture of the door casing. We may have someone that is good with sketch-up and may be able to do it to show how it would look. I personally just like to use pencil and paper and sketch out what the intersection would appear in real life.
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You can use CAD to play with it. Something like Google Sketchup would work. As for doing it in the real world, you would use a coping saw to allow you to "mold" the chair rail against the door casing. Post a picture of the door casing. We may have someone that is good with sketch-up and may be able to do it to show how it would look. I personally just like to use pencil and paper and sketch out what the intersection would appear in real life.
Yeah, I have been playing around with Sketchup and have been trying to overlay on top of the photo. The problem I have been having with it is because the shape of the room is not square. Sketchup worthy photos attached! Zip file of full size versions is linked as well, if needed!

For a scale measurement, the top of the base molding to the bottom of the crown is 109".

http://home.comcast.net/~jacribb/onl...age/office.zip
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Still trying to figure out **what** to buy. Can someone tell me what these pieces are? It looks like two pieces for the picture molding and two pieces that comprise the chair rail here. If someone could match up with what is in this catalog, it would be GREATLY appreciated. This is what 84 Lumber is offering in my area.

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The best I can find for the chair rail at this link
http://mouldingandmillwork.com/pdf/I...file_Guide.pdf

Page 37 #M&M 212B2P Run this molding upside down from the way it looks in the link, run a bull nose on top with a small cove mold under the bull nose. If it is thicker than your door and window trim just make a return at the door and window mold.

There are several panel moldings you can choose from for the shadow boxes.

The way I did my layout was show a 3 1/2-4 inch margin under the chair rail above the base and between each shadow box. I would try for the following on each wall,

21" space 1 box
38" space 1 box
100" space 4 boxes
61" space 2 boxes
54" space 2 boxes
88" space 3 boxes

Give that a try and see how it looks to you, just adjust it to suit your taste.
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The best I can find for the chair rail at this link
http://mouldingandmillwork.com/pdf/I...file_Guide.pdf

Page 37 #M&M 212B2P Run this molding upside down from the way it looks in the link, run a bull nose on top with a small cove mold under the bull nose. If it is thicker than your door and window trim just make a return at the door and window mold.

There are several panel moldings you can choose from for the shadow boxes.

The way I did my layout was show a 3 1/2-4 inch margin under the chair rail above the base and between each shadow box. I would try for the following on each wall,

21" space 1 box
38" space 1 box
100" space 4 boxes
61" space 2 boxes
54" space 2 boxes
88" space 3 boxes

Give that a try and see how it looks to you, just adjust it to suit your taste.
Thanks so much for the tips!

I'm still trying to match up what is being used in those pictures I posted of the existing picture molding and chair rail.

Would you mind referencing for me what these two pieces are in the catalog - "bull nose on top with a small cove mold under the bull nose"? I don't see anything referencing a bull nose or cove mold in the catalog.

Also, would you mind giving me an example of two pieces in this catalog that I could put together to make the picture molding like in the pic I posted?

I am so sorry for being such a newb on all this, but I am really having a hard time trying to put this all together and match what is in this catalog. Probably making this harder on myself than I should be.......
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Thanks so much for the tips!

I'm still trying to match up what is being used in those pictures I posted of the existing picture molding and chair rail.

Would you mind referencing for me what these two pieces are in the catalog - "bull nose on top with a small cove mold under the bull nose"? I don't see anything referencing a bull nose or cove mold in the catalog.

Also, would you mind giving me an example of two pieces in this catalog that I could put together to make the picture molding like in the pic I posted?

I am so sorry for being such a newb on all this, but I am really having a hard time trying to put this all together and match what is in this catalog. Probably making this harder on myself than I should be.......
If you are trying to match exactly the moldings you have now you will not be able to buy them across the counter, they are not stock moldings. You can have them custom run but that will cost big bucks as they will charge for the knife to be made and they will even keep the knife. They will charge a set up charge also.

Since that is a separate room, using a different profile will not look out of place, unless that molding is in the same room, then you will need to either change out the molding to all be the same or have the high dollar stuff ran and even then it may not match exactly.

As for the bull nose there is not a picture on that site of a bull nose. If you look at a stair tread the rounded front edge is a bull nose. You won't need one that thick though.

The small cove mold is on page 27 and is M&M cove 100P or 100. A close look for the panel mold would be a colonial chair rail. That site has only limited selections of moldings. I will see if I can find a site with more selections.
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Thanks again for the reply, Jim.

I think I follow how to put together that chair rail, but i'm still uncertain about the picture molding. Certainly, there has to be a place to buy locally where it won't cost an arm and a leg? It looks, like, well, picture molding.

The only 'picture molding' I see in this catalog, is on page 37, 273P. And it certainly isn't nearly as nice as the picture molding I posted above. If you can't tell, I really, really want this!!!

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