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11-17-2011, 11:27 AM
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Help. Drilled hole too large
I guess we need feedback from the OP to tell if it's a metal plate or a deep hole. Tbh, I've never come across a pipe in a potential location for a tp holder
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11-17-2011, 05:15 PM
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journeyman carpenter
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Help. Drilled hole too large
same here, every house ive worked on has had plumbers and electricians that specifically run their pipe or wire at heights off the which are no where near where anything will get anchored to the wall, specifically for the reason of not dealing with fasteners being driven through them
however i have dealt with idiot plumbers running water lines hard up to the underside of floor sheathing. ive had to repair bad subfloor and cut a pipe a couple years ago... around here code clearly states that all pipes and wires must be kept back a minimum of 1 3/4" from where a fastener may puncture it or be cut
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11-17-2011, 06:01 PM
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Help. Drilled hole too large
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Originally Posted by woodworkbykirk
same here, every house ive worked on has had plumbers and electricians that specifically run their pipe or wire at heights off the which are no where near where anything will get anchored to the wall, specifically for the reason of not dealing with fasteners being driven through them
however i have dealt with idiot plumbers running water lines hard up to the underside of floor sheathing. ive had to repair bad subfloor and cut a pipe a couple years ago... around here code clearly states that all pipes and wires must be kept back a minimum of 1 3/4" from where a fastener may puncture it or be cut
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You can have no expectation based on history where anything is behind a wall. Plumbers and electricians might have a scheme, more or less, but homeowners will put pipes and wires wherever they see fit.
Never assume anything when going behind a wall, blind.
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11-17-2011, 06:17 PM
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Help. Drilled hole too large
Hi Again,
Okay, having read the additional replies I would have to say that I *did* in fact hit a protective plate. I don't think that I mentioned that this is not the home I live in but a rental I own. I bought some KwikWood to fill the hole but I haven't had a chance to get back over there to do the work. I haven't received a call mentioning any loss of water pressure or other issues. Can I safely assume that I didn't pierce the place or cause any other damage? The whole is already deeper (just) than the length of the screw so assuming that I haven't already done some kind of damage there shouldn't be any issues with filling it with the Kwik Wood should there? Do people really think that it's worth removing some of the drywall to investigate? I'm not sure if that's something that I'm up to doing myself and I'm I have no idea what it would cost to have done?
Thanks a lot everyone for all of your replies.
-rs1971
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11-17-2011, 07:56 PM
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Help. Drilled hole too large
i know what your saying about pipes or wires being anywhere.. but if the homeowner did their own wiring or plumbing and something happened like a fire which was caused by electrical . the insurance company will ask questions and if the homewner said they did it there could be "problems" for the homeowner.
i have a good friend who is a site super for a fire and water damage restoration company, most times she see's this sorta thing its partially because of improper wiring or plumbing... where its located especially
in but back to the longer screw thing.. most hardware is supplied with short screws 1" or 1 -1/4" going to a 1 3/4 is only going to penetrate 1" into the stud give or take. if you start driving 2 1/2 or 3 " screws yes there can be problems
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11-17-2011, 08:34 PM
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Well, on the subject of a 3/8 hole in the stud, buy a length of 3/8 dowel, lube it up with wood glue and tap it into the hole. Cut it off flush to drywall and re-drill a small hole in it.
As for whether or not you drilled a wire or waste/vent stack, poke a small hole where the escutcheon will cover it and take a peek.
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11-18-2011, 01:14 AM
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Help. Drilled hole too large
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Originally Posted by woodworkbykirk
i know what your saying about pipes or wires being anywhere.. but if the homeowner did their own wiring or plumbing and something happened like a fire which was caused by electrical . the insurance company will ask questions and if the homewner said they did it there could be "problems" for the homeowner.
i have a good friend who is a site super for a fire and water damage restoration company, most times she see's this sorta thing its partially because of improper wiring or plumbing... where its located especially
in but back to the longer screw thing.. most hardware is supplied with short screws 1" or 1 -1/4" going to a 1 3/4 is only going to penetrate 1" into the stud give or take. if you start driving 2 1/2 or 3 " screws yes there can be problems
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I've seen studs notched out with the pipes flush against the back paper of the drywall instead of drilled through the center. No protective plates. Thankfully the electrical was ran correctly.
I think you could probably hit pipe with a 1-1/4" screw on a partition wall of a mobile home. Had to install one in a situation like this a year ago, and ended up going with the Command sticky pad mounting because I was afraid of what was inside.
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11-18-2011, 09:21 AM
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Help. Drilled hole too large
Quote:
Originally Posted by rs1971
Hi Again,
Okay, having read the additional replies I would have to say that I *did* in fact hit a protective plate. I don't think that I mentioned that this is not the home I live in but a rental I own. I bought some KwikWood to fill the hole but I haven't had a chance to get back over there to do the work. I haven't received a call mentioning any loss of water pressure or other issues. Can I safely assume that I didn't pierce the place or cause any other damage? The whole is already deeper (just) than the length of the screw so assuming that I haven't already done some kind of damage there shouldn't be any issues with filling it with the Kwik Wood should there? Do people really think that it's worth removing some of the drywall to investigate? I'm not sure if that's something that I'm up to doing myself and I'm I have no idea what it would cost to have done?
Thanks a lot everyone for all of your replies.
-rs1971
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no. if you think you may have drilled through plate, then you need to open the wall. a 6" square hole is super easy to patch and big enough to let you get a good idea of everything going on in that studspace so you can plan where to put the holder.
you need to learn to patch and paint anyway if its a rental.
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11-19-2011, 10:55 PM
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Help. Drilled hole too large
If you already have a 3/16 hole that is deeper then the screw, why not just put the anchor in it. If it is one of those cheap plastic anchors that come with the toilet paper holder, it will work in the stud.
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11-21-2011, 02:15 PM
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Help. Drilled hole too large
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Originally Posted by jcrack_corn
no. if you think you may have drilled through plate, then you need to open the wall. a 6" square hole is super easy to patch and big enough to let you get a good idea of everything going on in that studspace so you can plan where to put the holder.
you need to learn to patch and paint anyway if its a rental.
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That's what I'd do. No telling if you nicked a wire. This why they include small screws in the tp holder package. I never drill holes for anchors, I use a phillips screw driver with the same shank size as the anchor and punch it through the sheetrock with my hand.
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