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Old 12-23-2010, 07:11 PM   #1
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novice here. i bought an older home and knocked down a couple of small walls only to find it has 16 foot studs running though both stories. someone told me it's a bloom home, whatever that means. how do i build a new header in this case? these are not loadbearing walls so i can't put a temp wall under support joists and i don't believe i can just cut these studs loose.


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novice here. i bought an older home and knocked down a couple of small walls only to find it has 16 foot studs running though both stories. someone told me it's a bloom home, whatever that means. how do i build a new header in this case? these are not loadbearing walls so i can't put a temp wall under support joists and i don't believe i can just cut these studs loose.
You might mean balloon framing?
You might want to put the hammer down for awhile until you understand the structure you're dealing with.
Post some pictures of what you have, so we can see the structure.
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ahh. balloon. i'm not doing the header myself. just want to understand the process.



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You might mean balloon framing?
You might want to put the hammer down for awhile until you understand the structure you're dealing with.
Post some pictures of what you have, so we can see the structure.
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Your post was confusing to me. You say "these are not load bearing walls". Exactly what walls are you talking about that are not load bearing? If you mean the balloon framing, the exterior walls are almost certainly load bearing, they hold up the house. If you mean the new walls you are constructing, well if they are not intended to bear load, why are you putting a header in? A door perhaps?

Then you ask about cutting the studs loose. If the studs you are referring to are the balloon framing studs, well they hold up the house, so naturally you cannot cut them. If you are building a non-load bearing wall, why are you asking about building a temporary wall to hold up the joists?

Maybe you can explain the current arrangement in the house, and tell us exactly what it is you want to achieve. Balloon framing is not common, and requires special techniques.
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the walls are about 6 feet long and are parallel, not perpindicular, to the joists. that's what i meant by not load bearing. these walls formed a breakfast nook and i want to open up the kitchen. afterr looking at the studs, i feel like the balloon studs are all load bearing to the extent the ron to the rafters. don't i need a header remove the lower 8 feet of the studs? but how? supporting the joist next to it with a temp wall? maybe temp walls on the joists on either side? need the standard operating procedure here. thanks and merry christmas!
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Still confused, but hey, I'm not the sharpest knife.

Are you trying to open the exterior wall as well as remove the two breakfast nook walls? Sounds like that is where you are asking about "removing the lower 8' of the studs"

Pics would help
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Post pictures---I ,too am confused---
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Before you assume that the wall is non-load bearing--check the attic---the top of that wall might be holding up the second floor ceiling or the roof,itself.

If the wall is indeed just a partition, It will need to be attached to the floor joists with blocking

or held up with a header--

Look at the top of that wall---let us know what it is holding up--if anything.--Mike--
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I'm about to do the same thing that you are doing with taking out a large section of load bearing wall in a balloon frame structure (assuming yours is load bearing which I would suggest that you should assume). This is what I have learned in my research.

You don't support the second floor when cutting out the studs, you have to support the upper section of studs themselves because the second floor joists are supported by a ledger that is face nailed to the studs. In other words if you just build a support for the second floor, it still will not support the studs which are supporting the roof loads. You have to install a temporary support for the upper section of the studs. This support is called a whaler and it consists of a temporary 2 X ? (depends on the span) that is lag bolted to the studs on either side of your opening and it is positioned above the point where your header is going to go.

This link will explain better than I can. See the section for temporarily supporting a wall in a balloon frame structure. The pages in the book show an example of supporting both a platform and balloon structure. Page 39 and 40 of the book shows detailed photos of the support.

http://books.google.com/books?id=f8I...alloon&f=false


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