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Old 02-26-2012, 10:51 PM   #31
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Steel is not comprised, in part, of carbon? Iron + carbon = Steel. No?
Sigh. I considered addressing this in my post, but then I thought, "Surely nobody is so foolish as to try to make this point.". Guess I was wrong.

OK, first off steel is not a chemical compound, its a metal alloy, which is a completely different thing, and the carbon is a very small portion of the alloy.

Second, organic substances are molecules composed *primarily* of carbon *and* hydrogen, not carbon *or* hydrogen. That's why they're called hydrocarbons, because they have both hydrogen and carbon.

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ok, can't resist. yep, steel is an alloy of several different metal elements (depends upon the type of steel) and a bit of carbon. Iron, manganese, chromium for stainless....

organic molecules consist primarily of C, H, O, N Carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, and nitrogen. Sugars and fats are C, H, and O and proteins contain all 4. Critters and plants are made-up almost exclusively of these elements, with only trace levels of other elements (like iron, iodine...)

Hydrocarbons are a special class of organic molecules that consist solely of carbon and hydrogen, such as alkanes in petroleum (hydrocarbon chains generally 5-10 carbons in length). The bonds between these atoms are very high energy, so breaking the bonds releases a lot of energy... hence the energy gained by burning petroleum.

now you can imagine how annoying it must be to listen to me yap while either mixing polymers or using solvents to degrease something......
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And it all started with the crooked 2x4...
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It's not just HD, it's all of the big box stores. When I frame a basement (for example) I buy what I can use in a couple of days (at a time). I do my best to not leave much over the weekend or plan on using it for "short cuts" such as soffit framing. It's the "nature of the beast" with lumber these days. They grow the trees faster with fertilizing, cut them when they're still "green", less time in the kiln, etc....
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no more home-cheapo lumber!
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lets just keep this simple....if the wood had been properly dried in a kiln it would keep a low moisture content even if left in the rain for weeks.... after its dry it wont accept moisture again easily and therefor wont warp twist...it might be stamped kiln dried but basicly that means the forklift drove by the kiln on the way to the loading docks...its not properly dried...and ya i'm sure someone will disagree with my theory but oh well
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It's not just HD, it's all of the big box stores. When I frame a basement (for example) I buy what I can use in a couple of days (at a time). I do my best to not leave much over the weekend or plan on using it for "short cuts" such as soffit framing.
exactly what i try to do

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