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Dave88LX 03-07-2013 03:22 PM

Have a railing project to do; split foyer home.
 
Here is the scenario, pictured below. One railing along the edge of the landing coming out from the wall, out to roughly the top step. A second railing will need to go between the up/down stairs, on that angled part.

Any thoughts on wooden vs. metal railings? It had wood when we moved in, it looked so trashy (not that it's much to look at now), but, that may just have been because they did a horrible job of putting it in, and never put any kind of finish on it.

How difficult of a task is this? I'm pretty handy. Most YouTube videos I've found have been useless; either 2 minutes long skipping over any pertinent details, or they are for decks. Any good how-to's out there? Rosette or half-post against the wall?

(Never noticed how filthy that wall/door was until it was lit up with a flash. I haven't patched the drywall and repainted those walls yet, looks like I need to get to steppin'.)

If you have a similar layout as mine, I'd like to see how yours is done.
Thanks!


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This will be the trickier part, that cut-out below the closet there:
http://dave88lx.com/gallery/albums/u...p_before_5.jpg

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TarheelTerp 03-07-2013 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave88LX (Post 1131883)
Any thoughts on wooden vs. metal railings?

Since you're so close... see Chris at Mandala:
http://www.mandalacreations.com/interior/railings/

joecaption 03-07-2013 05:51 PM

That's one odd stair case.
It's missing a landing tread at the top of the stairs.
It should have been open on the left hand side looking up the stairs with no apron.
The treads are to narrow for an open stair.
There's no railing or knee wall behind that couch.

Is that top stair tread high on the right hand side?

sixeightten 03-07-2013 05:55 PM

I have a bi-level also. The area under the closet should have been framed straight down, which would mean the rail could end right at the wall with no weird spindles.

sixeightten 03-07-2013 06:08 PM

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Here are a couple pics. We built the house about 18 years ago.

kwikfishron 03-07-2013 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sixeightten (Post 1131994)
The area under the closet should have been framed straight down, which would mean the rail could end right at the wall with no weird spindles.

+1 on that... Someone went out of their way to create that little detail in the pic. It was a great idea in someones mind at the time I guess. :wink:

Millertyme 03-07-2013 08:44 PM

I agree, the wall should've gone down. You could leave it like it is and make those treads open on the upper stair. Or, you could attach a post at the bottom like there was before only I would come off it with a 1/4 turn and then go up the stairs so that you can bypass that wall at the top. Then 1/4 turn back into the wall at the top.

Dave88LX 03-07-2013 09:34 PM

You're right about the closet coming straight down. I don't know WHY it was cut like that exactly, but I can offer two reasons:
1. If it were squared off, we would all hit our heads on the corner walking down the stairs.
2. The closet was extended out like that in order to have deeper shelves, at the expense of having a shallow angled floor, and subsequently, stupid looking wall like I know have.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-v...307_194832.jpg

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Dave88LX 03-07-2013 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TarheelTerp (Post 1131982)
Since you're so close... see Chris at Mandala:
http://www.mandalacreations.com/interior/railings/

He looks expensive. That is some nice work. In all honesty, I just need to build this "good enough to rent". I'm so upside-down with this house, and bought at a horrible time (Spring 2007). I don't want to skimp on workmanship, I want to build it correctly and the best within my ability; but I don't want to put a lot of money into fancy materials.

Quote:

Originally Posted by joecaption (Post 1131993)
That's one odd stair case.
It's missing a landing tread at the top of the stairs.
It should have been open on the left hand side looking up the stairs with no apron.
The treads are to narrow for an open stair.
There's no railing or knee wall behind that couch.

Is that top stair tread high on the right hand side?

It sure is. I don't have a landing tread for it, but I do have a bullnose piece that hangs over. I haven't installed it yet because I have no idea how I am going to do these stairs either. That's a whoooooole 'nother thread. My stringers have grooves along the edges for the existing treads. If I knock the noses off the treads to put the new bullnose pieces on, then I will have big holes on either side of the staircase in the stringer. I'm not sure what to do. Is apron the stringer?

Hell, these stairs will come out by undoing a couple screws. Probably be easier to just rip them out and start over.:whistling2: Wife would love me. Rental ready...rental ready.

I'm looking to build a railing behind the couch also. I need to build both. I'm not sure exactly how to proceed with that either. Where in relation to the top of the landing does the newel post need to sit? (How far past the top step must it come?) Does it need to extend beyond it? Centered? Can the furthest edge be near-flush with the step?

sixeightten: Looks good; if I had carpet, this would be a WHOLE lot easier. I pulled carpet out though, pretty close to that color.:laughing:


Quote:

Originally Posted by Millertyme (Post 1132126)
I agree, the wall should've gone down. You could leave it like it is and make those treads open on the upper stair. Or, you could attach a post at the bottom like there was before only I would come off it with a 1/4 turn and then go up the stairs so that you can bypass that wall at the top. Then 1/4 turn back into the wall at the top.

I'm not exactly following; maybe it's too late for my brain.

Dave88LX 03-08-2013 12:14 PM

Note for myself for later.
http://www.woodstairs.com/handrail-c...604ac83734559d

http://www.westfiremfg.com/html/stair_codes.html

http://www.woodstairs.com/tradepage/...es-and-miters/

Dave88LX 03-08-2013 01:13 PM

What is a handrail vs. guardrail? Am I looking at 36-38" or 44" for the landing?

http://www.westfiremfg.com/html/stair_codes.html

Millertyme 03-09-2013 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sixeightten
Here are a couple pics. We built the house about 18 years ago.

Something like this only this is not a legal setup. The rake rail dies into the wall well before the last step. This will make the person have to reach for the rail on their way down. One rail should be continuous 6" past leading edge of top and lower steps. There should've been an s-turn fitting to bypass the wall first and then miter back into wall. I personally think this setup in pic is ok but I'm addressing it because it could be a code violation.

Dave88LX 03-11-2013 10:17 PM

I'm going to start with the top railing across the flat landing. Can anyone give me a quick rundown on the order of installation or a good how-to link? YouTube video I've found are junk. I'm OK with the math/spacing etc., just curious about the construction.

I bought:
- handrail w/ fillet
- square balusters
- rosette
- 3/4" Forstner bit
- newel base kit
- (2) rail bolt kits

From what I've found so far, the rosette will attach to the end of the rail first with two screws.
The rail will attach to the newel post with the rail kit, OR, should I do it by using a lag bolt THROUGH the newel post?
Either way, attach that. Then attach the rosette to the wall with a screw in the top, two nails through the bottom?

I can follow directions, I just can't find good ones.

This is essentially exactly what I need to do:
http://zimmermanhomes.com/images/Sel...lingOak_HR.jpg

http://web.ecomplanet.com/OLSO4346/S...mage043548.jpg

Dave88LX 03-12-2013 11:45 PM

Newel post is set up. I'll keep you posted.

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Dave88LX 03-19-2013 10:27 PM

It ain't perfect, but, it's good enough for a house I'll be renting out, beats the $2600 I was quoted.

Measured once, cut twice. :( Darn /32's.
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Should be done tomorrow as long as my plug cutter gets here to fix that thing above.
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Should be done tomorrow as long as my plug cutter gets here to fix that thing above.
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...60414157_o.jpg


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