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Old 09-09-2012, 11:21 PM   #31
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This was my Idea, Minus the trim I want to go around the outside upper and lower area of the stand, #1 to cover the edges of the plywood and to cover the lower trim that is on the tank. And with a little browsing around Home Depot and the blue building. Ill figure out a way to make it so the front molding around the upper lip can come off and on. So I dont have to worry about dropping our fingers and the tank when we lower it and/or pick it up. We can just remove the front trim molding and slide the tank in and out from the front. and as for my drawings. I saw some "L" shaped thick metal brackets and for the center area of the walls that will be supporting the weight, I saw some thick metal straight sheets of metal to screw into the center of the walls, or I can use 1x4's going from bottom to top.

And I hope you can see the picture good enough.... But I do want a sump on that open right hand section of the stand in the picture. BUt for now my wife wants this greenhorn to be more decorative and make shelves for decor and/or furniture looks. And the cabinet on the left hand side will hold the current canister filter and other junk. I dont know if I would want a framed door or make it a solid wood door.

I almost went to Lowes today and bought the wood. THey have some plywood with several knots on it for like $24 a sheet. But then I looked on my phone and saw that Notmrjohn made a post so again, I have not started. Do I have to use the Cabinet Grade plywood? Or is the knotted stuff just as strong? I would not mind a more rustic stained piece and would not mind spending Half the price I do tend to be a bit Fruggle. My wife has to force me to buy myself something. Not a cheap person, but a penny saved is a penny earned. And money an always go on a bill or the house. anyways... SO can I use the less pretty plywood and save $20 a sheet, and Notmrjohn said that I should use 1x3 wood around the outer edge of the stand. Is that the lower area that will be on the carpet in the house or is that for the upper trim that I want to use as a raised molding piece that hides the lower 1" of the tanks trim. I dont know if that makes any sence. Alot of stands have a raised lip that covers the lower inch of a tank. And from what I can recall, Plywood dont like to be drilled through the sides. WIll I be making Pilot holes or like someone before had mentioned... I should focus on GLUING/bonding it together. Now that part loses me... Liquid nails, Gorilla Glue, wood glue, hehehehe SOrry for all the questiions. I just want to make sure it dont crash and/or I fallow my grandfathers teachings and "Measure 2 3 4 5 times, and cut once" Well I use that with my learning also. Ill go over something 10 times before I make it. My wife said I dont have to measure so much just to hang a picture. WHile Im measuring from the ceiling to the corner of the picture frame, then the other corner, then from the nearest wall. Who needs a leveler when mesuring a picture? A tape measure never lies. Unless your girlfriend is using it.

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Krib it is close to midnite here, I think this site is on GMT but think you posted around 10: 20 your time. Your on right track I think so far. Don't know about all your metal angles, don't know if you really need them, I'll wanta know more about your plywood. Removable trim we can do. Drawing is just fine to get idea of what you want. Major thing is to make real straight cuts in ply wood. Know yoyr in big rush to do this, gotta be patient. Have you started filling tank yet to check for leaks, moving them can start a leak. Youknow to fill about a quarter full wait a while then to half wait etc? Be sure it is on level sirface and nothing under to crack bottom glass. i'll talk with you tomorrow.
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Krib it is close to midnite here
You got it NotMrJohn. Arizona has no Daylight Savings time change so I never really know what time it is in other places. Talk at cha tomorrow. And just in case I did not state it before. In that picture there is a large right side that looks like shelves. That is just to get an idea of what would work. THat and my wife is wanting a more decorated furniture piece, verses the basic stand. And I would like to maybe add a door in the center and then slide a tank to the right side. Or add 2 doors so I can have easy access to the sump. I read that for a 125-200 gallon tank, a 50 gallon sump is needed. So the average 50gallon tank measures about 19 inches deep(front to back). But I think that woudl be too deep to support the stand. So I may see about building one or taking the trim off the tank and then it should slide right in. But thats much much more down the line. Right now I need to keep my head straight and focus on the stand and then getting the tank established.

By the way NotMrJohn.. Whats your opinion on putting styraphome under the tanks? I have heard that mainley for acrylic tanks on flat surfaces. And YOu being a fish person for so many years. My wifes 90 gallon I set up for her has some fancy gold fish in it. She has like 3 Comet Gold Fishes, some black one with big round eyes, and some other one that looks like it has a birth mark(strawberry) on its head. My brother said that goldfish are full of diseases. I have heard also. But this is not a typical feeder gold fish they are a breed of gold fish. I want to add a sponge filter to her tank for the bacteria and then transfer it to my tank to speed up that Nitrogen cycle. But if GF do have illnesses then I know my dwarf cichlids(aka Kribensis) and maybe Lake Tanganekia Chichlids to catch it. I tossed in a Betta fighting fish, figuring if they do have anything. His fins and body would show it.

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“Sorry for all the questions” B4 this is over you're gonna be sorry for all my answers. No problem, I've never taught woodworking by long distance B4. I taught woodworking for couple of years at an established high end shop affiliated with local community college, but those folks were right there, so if someone was about to slice off a finger we could pull the cord. You mentioned “dropped fingers” (Otto spelchek musta dropped the “on”) when lifting tank, your skillsaw is more likely than tank to drop a finger, dropped fingers layin all around on floor can get annoying, trip over one and fall into a band saw or any of the other mechanized implements of destruction that we had there in the combination High End Custom Cabinet and Furniture Shop and Wood Working School. And that combination, friend, is why the buisiness failed, the genius entreprenuer who thought up the scheme, but didn't know a dove tailed joint from a reefer with a anemone fish and coral, was tryin to run two biznesses at once, and tryin to make the students follow the schedule of the production side and the production work goin on while we also tried to teach and all the other wood working type stuff we were doin in there. And we were all a time bumping into each other with great heavy sheets of MDF and trippin over dropped fingers and profits from school were supportin the production and profits from production supportin school, only there weren't no profits anymore cause no production was beein produced and no teachin was bein taught And the financial genius was up front playin online Texas hold em trying to get some cash flowin in, but the cash was just flowin right out through the modem that he had there on his financial genius desk There see? You're tired of the answer already. I'll try to answer further queries without getting all Arlo on you.
Hopefully, the other responders won't get tired of wading thru my gibberish and will jump right in when I tell ya to do somethin and yell in all bold caps NO! NO!. So B4 you follow my advice see what they have to say. As you sed, there has been something fishy about me for many years.
B4 I wade right in and get condescending and bore you with a lot of un-needed or wanted detailed instructions, I got a few questions.
  1. What is your skill level? What other things have you made? Especially casework (cabinets)? And specifically, how confident are you that you can make nice straight square cuts with your skillsaw?
  2. You'll need a few more inexpensive tools, is there a... ( you other folks cover your eyes) is there a Harbor Freight near you? Here it is, 6135-3 N 35th Ave. ( We're also gonna be talkin about big orange and big blue) some HF stuff is more than adequate for any body's needs, some is mulm and not worth even their price. More on that when the need arises.
Answering some of your questions;
“ I hope you can see the picture good enough. “ Perfect. A hint, not complaint, I like to make rough and even more finished drawings on 1/4” grid graph paper. Square corners, assign value to squares, 4 to a foot makes each square 3”, 3 makes 4”, etc. My math is deplorable, but I can count squares and get rough idea of what various dimensions are gonna be.

Cabinet Grade” as used by HD just refers to the outer good sanded A side, limited number of small interior voids. The “knotted stuff” sounds like CDX, exterior sheathing. You want to use exterior grad plywood, what ever face rating it has ( the a, b,c,d). Structurally CDX is fine for this, its just that it is as ugly as a bristle head plecostomus. Your design uses less plywood than I was expecting, a simple face frame cabinet. You only need a half sheet of purty ply for ends. More if doors, mebbee, I haven't made a cut list. CDX for top and shelves will be fine, specially if you paint it, wont be Stickley quality but it'll work. You can saw most of those parts, HD can cut the purty ends and divider/supports where accuracy and squareness are inportant.
Glue, you're going to be nailing, drilling pilot holes, screwing, and gluing. The glue is what gives strength to joints, nails/screws hold it together while glue sets. I like using screws, tighter joints, easier to get things together if you don't have nail gun and helpers, jigs, or enuff clamps to hold things while you fasten. Well, no body ever has enuff clamps. Easier to take apart with screws when you screw up.
(thank you, thank you, but the pun is inherent) Easier to fasten “bouncy” parts than hammering. Use Tite-Bond III, cleans up with water, dries water proof, open time of around 8 minutes but tacky enuff to hold parts while you shift into exact position. The glued joint is usually stronger than the wood, the wood breaks B4 the glue does. Plywood doesn't hold real good in edge on fastening, but you aren't going to have much stress in that direction.
Metal Brackets. I don't think you need any, inside corner brackets mite help hold things together while you really fasten um together. You're gonna make a box and nail or screw the top on it, and cover the edges with, yes, removable trim. The top is not really supporting anything. The perfectly placed ends, divider/supports, and vertical members of face frame(stiles) are supporting the weight. If you want adjustable shelves, there are metal supports for that but they don't add any strength.
You can do this. I was making simple plywood face frame cabinets, under Dad's supervision, when I was 12, away back in the stone age. Fastening plywood together is easy with modern glue and tools, you oughta try driven a nail with a rock, I don't wanta get into cutting it with knapped flint saws. Some of my ideas are gonna be unorthadox, and not the way pros do it, but I'm keeping in mind your experience and tools and materials at hand. For example, tape measures do lie, or at least not agree with each other, use the same tape for layout measuring as you do for measuring cuts. Not gonna make much difference here, really. But I swear, my girlfriends tape was off by at least 4 inches.
Doors (solid is gonna be easier to make, but we got an edge treatment issue), drawers and shelves and sumps and is the cabinet gonna have a back and such are, as you say down the line.
Now to unfocus and talk about fish. Folks , if these digressions are too far off topic, say so, but we are talkin of saw fish and file fish and hammer head sharks. Styrofoam under tanks is for the ones without the plastic frame around bottom, or thin metal frame, or acrylics where bottom could bend down, since bottom was in contact with table a tiny piece of gravel could crack bottom. Back when I was a kid, in that stone age I mentioned, and sufferin from advanced piscemania and had a whole wall of double ranked tanks, I did have some sittin on towels. But that was to soak up the leaks from some of those metal cornered tanks and to grow a supply of mold for the Science Fair project. Some of those goldfish are too bizarre for me, those aren't selected for mutations, those are gross bodily deformations and the pore sufferin things should be put out of their misery. Same goes for some tropicals, fancy long flowing finned zebra danios shouldn't be struggling to get a bite to eat, they should have short strong fins and be zoomin around like a school of mini-barracuda. Diseases get introduced when people try to go cheap and buy feeders at the bait shop. Bait breeders aren't so concerned with diseases cause the fish won't live long enough to die from them. Fish at bait shop are swimmin around in way concentrated methylene blue and who nows what couse the fish aint gonna live long enough to die from that. Feeders at pet shop are culls from fancy breeding by breeders who are, or at least should be, concerned with diseases, but ya might ask where they get their feeders. If Mrs kribensis' (who, unlike her aquatic namesake is wayyyy prettier than her mate) fish are healthy, sponge idea should be safe. Not sure your betta idea is so good. All the “experts” claim they are safe with any fish except another male, so away back when, I put one in with my way cool all neon and cardinal tank. The next morning most of the tetras was squirmin around tailess on the bottom . Those gold fish start showin raggedy fins, don't wanta make the missus angry when your about to fill the house with saw dust. Conversely, gold fish will nibble other fish fins.Best test is get the sponge inoculated and put it and some cheaper fish, zebras?, in a seperate tank and watch that for a while. ( man, conversely, inoculated, I'm as erudite as I am verbose)
“ Arizona has no Daylight Savings” They'll be sorry when the sun burns out. I got several mason jars of day light stashed away for that eventuality, I check um regularly, hold um to a light bulb to make sure the day light aint leaked out. No daylight savings time in Arizona, but there is on the Navajo Rez, but not on the Hopi Rez completely surrounded by the Navajo. Start drivin in Day Light Mountain New Mexico into AZ, into Navajo, Hopi, Navajo, AZ, Utah; you wear out your watch reseting it. Cell phone goes insane, shuts down, that's why you don't get connection way out there in desert.


I now return you to your regularly scheduled construction oriented forum. I gotta take a nap, and my index finger is worn down to a nub, it'll grow back. I hope that's what happened, hope I didn't drop it.
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Of what are you accusing me, Wretched Rodent? Besides its just some Pressure Treated decking saw dust rolled up in some asbestos so I don't burn my fingers. I done wore one out, dropped anothern, don't wanta lose one in a conflaguration. Free Gin!!! Oh...I don't play cards, church frowns on it.
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Just got home and reading your post NotMrJohn. WOW, I feel like I should pay you or something. I dont know what to say. I do thank you for your time and help with this. I would LOVE to work for a cabinet worker. I think Id enjoy work every day. But being a family guy and if I get lucky I will be a X 4 year truck driver. Im just not sure if we can afford the pay cut. Right now my wife stays with our Autistic daughter at home and the rest is up to me. Like I said, I just got home and have read your post up to the point of you asking me how good my cutting is. Well all I can say is a the title of this posting says it all. I once installed AC units and assembled furniture, but otherwise not alot of "experience" I built 2 30" tall stand for 2 reptile cages about 5 years ago. But they were built alone and as gravity would have it. When reaching the end of the 2x4's... LOL snap. But it was solid and all it was is a basic 2 long 2x4's and 3 shorter pieces for the ends and the cross members inside. for the top and bottom base. THen cut 4 30" 2x4's and screwed them into the outside corners of the top and bottom base. I worked as a HVAC A/C Sheet metal installer for new homes. So I have learned alot about how to work. Just not the experience in working it. Regarding "finger drop" LOL. But I have used table saws, Sawzalls, for different tings in the past. But never for myself. Every time I think about buying a table-saw... The Fruggle part of me asks when will I use it next and I talk myself out of it. That was why I was hoping H.Depot could at least cut it straight for me. ANd then you said they are never right on with there cuts. THen I thought well... It would be less wood Id have to cut/trim off. There is nothing on this planet I cant do. So with building this stand I know if I want it to be 30"tall, I will be subtracting the thickness of the 2 sheets of plywood on top and bottom. I know the side are to be between the long boards of the frame, and I know to not cut on the side of the wood that is going to be seen by everyone.

I just wanted to catch up, and let you know I am in the middle of reading your post. As for cutting a long piece of plywood, I can pencil a long straight line and cut on the outside of that line. But do I think I will be on the money through all 7 feet. I may have a hump here and there I think. If I had a table saw and some saw horses then id do it all without the Big Orange. Im rambling on. I'll shut up and get pack to reading your post. Again I cant thank you enough.
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You're rambling on? You'll be reading my post for hours.
" I will be subtracting the thickness of the 2 sheets of plywood on top and bottom." No just the top, but we'll get to that when we get there.
" not cut on the side of the wood that is going to be seen by everyone." Aha! That's what "factory edges" are for. Face frame and removable top trim are going to cover them anyway.
"I think Id enjoy work every day." Ever picked up a 4X8 sheet of 3/4 MDF, try doin that all day. Next time your at HD, just reach over and left one edge of a sheet. OK, I await your next MS.
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Sorry for disappearing guys... My wife had a bad Hernia and needed to tripple the honey dew list. WOW, What would I do without her. LOL So sorry again for not getting back with everyone. It has been hell... Did you know you have to wrince the food off before sticking them in the dish washer? what a rip off. Its still like double work... You have to scrape off the old food, wrince it, and then use all that energy and water with the machine. LOL I dont even want to talk about mopping. God I thank you for my wife. LOL

Ill get the graph paper drawn up today. Sorry guys.
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Wow! hows the wife? That's you're main job now. Don't worry about me, don't rush on my account. Do what you gotta do. Then worry about glass sided box that you throw money into.The stand is not a project to rush into any way. before it is done you will be wishing it was done. Before you get to drawing, and if you have time, could you post the exact as possible, (nearest 1/100th of inch, no, closest 1/16 or even 1/8 for now) dimensions of each side of outside bottom of tank? The outside of plastic frame. What ever those dimensions are will be dimensions of outside walls of cabinet and frame, and a bit less than top and inside dimension of removable trim. Also any questions, thoughts, concerns my last ramblings brought up. Get the wife well, hernia, and I was counting on her to hold up other ends of great heavy things while you tapped little bitty nails in other end. Seriously, you know where priorities are. BTW my wife keeps saying scrape and rinse first, sometimes even scrub some. I say shake the big stuff off, put it in the washer, if it don't come clean the first time, give the washer another chance. And dogs is real good for scrapin and rinsin. Specially hound dogs with big ol slobbery tongues. Did I mention that i am more concerned with your wife's situation than you and your wooden crate?
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And dogs is real good for scrapin and rinsin. Specially hound dogs with big ol slobbery tongues. Did I mention that i am more concerned with your wife's situation than you and your wooden crate?
A good, loyal lab or even a giant orange cat like the one I called Spikezilla can clean plates good enough for mil spec.

How is your wife doing? We could climb on her for what she has done to you, making you wash dishes and things, but not until she is able to spray the big hair taller than the Chrysler Building again on her own.

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