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Old 09-08-2012, 04:50 PM   #16
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I know nothing about fish tanks but are you able to fix it if there is a leak?

Maybe it would be better to fill it up and look for leaks rather than building a stand for it first.
OH YA, There are tons of tank repair DIY out there with 100% silicone. And ya, before I bring it into the house I will be filling the tank before it touches our carpet.

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Old 09-08-2012, 05:49 PM   #17
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OH YA, There are tons of tank repair DIY out there with 100% silicone. And ya, before I bring it into the house I will be filling the tank before it touches our carpet.
I built my own aquarium as well, ( The Psychedelic Fishtank! ) and yes, you must use 100% silicone. It's best to buy the stuff made FOR aquariums. Ours is filled with "rescued" goldfish right now.

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Old 09-08-2012, 05:52 PM   #18
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While I will agree it is a lot of weight, think of the other things people put in their homes without even thinking about how heavy they are. Ever wonder how much a fully loaded fridge weighs? And it is sitting on a smaller foot print. How about that 300 lb couch that 3 of your big buddies are sitting on on a sunday watching the game. I used to have a 220 gallon water bed on a 2 x 8, 16" center floor plus dressers and such. Never even cracked the plaster/lath ceiling below.
That is the whole engineering and knowledge part that makes me wish I did better in school/math. My hat off to all the builders and engineering of the world. As a kid I built a stand for my snake cage and it held for years and 3 moves and never moved a bit. And it was just the 2x4 square top and base with 1 cross member and then a 4 34" 2x4's screwed to the outside corners and never had a problem. I look at it as, "piece of mind is good", Yes... You can build a house and put a aquarium on top of it. But why? A simple drywall screw can hold X-number of pounds, add two of them to that side and its doubled. And yes, I looked at our kitchen counter and tis a wood trim along the wall. blah blah blah... Ya, My kid will jump for hours on our bed and its nothing but 2 long boards connected to the head and foot board. with a bunch of cheap cross member boards. ANd yes, the couch is even more thin in lumber.
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I built my own aquarium as well, ( The Psychedelic Fishtank! ) and yes, you must use 100% silicone. It's best to buy the stuff made FOR aquariums. Ours is filled with "rescued" goldfish right now.

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Thats funny ou said that you got gold fish. After not wanting to fill the tank on the stand that came with it, and with the thought Im going to spend at least $100 to build a new stand. I looked on craigslist and found a 90g acrylic aquarium with a stand for $100, I told my wife it could be hers. So at first I brought up Cichlids and she said, "If its mine, I dont want any mean fish" SO I thought, cool, a school and'or community type tank in a 90gallon would be fun and could be real cool. But NO No NO, she got rainbow gravel, neon fake plants, NO NO NO green. She want it to be bright. THen I gave her $50 and said go get some fish. Just tell them you want a community tank. And #1 she brings back Koi, I told her, "yes they can live in a 50 gallon tank. But is it fare to lock our dogs in a cage every day, and never take them out. SO now we have a tank with Comet gold fish, some black big eyed gold fish, Some gold fish that has like a hair piece on it or some birth mark on its head. I guess the whole school thing is out. So you "save" gold fish?
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So you "save" gold fish?
Talk to my wife about that. I told her we should make sushi.

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DangerMouse , I like your profile picture. I think that cartoon mouse was a cartoon I once watched when I was alot younger.
Krib. I warn you to stop this now!!! The dangerous mouse, a moderator, has been leaving droppings all over this site begging for cartoons to be posted. "Never feed gasoline to a fire breathing dragon" or cartoons to a wanna be Mickey. This is a serious site with a serious mission and the moment cartoons appear?
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Right now there is a major battle to keep a breed of carp out of Lake Michigan and electric fences may work for a time. Most carp are a species of fish that grow as large as their environment will allow. Put a healthy goldfish (carp by any other name) in a healthy tank and it will turn into a giant. Put five in the same bowl and their systems somehow know not to get so large. If no predators, hard freezes or disease, they will take over absolutely everything in their environment and grow to whatever size they can to fill it.

Koi are carp but have longer lifespans and it takes them awhile to grow large. Of course all top out at some maximum size and weight.

I live near North Pond and Lincoln Park. Every now and then I will see huge goldfish near the shore, obviously dumped from a home aquarium or even a kid fish tank by an idiot. They do have predators here and being fish of color these graceful things see them from like 10,000 feet in the air and just do a 10G dive through air currents and down through the surface of the water and nail them.

My fave all time carp story involves my most beloved State Governor turned two term president. Ronny had zilch respect for environment and one classic legacy people point to prove it is Lake Davis. He introduced carp to clean it up through the California Fish and Game Department. And they did. They killed the entire aquaculture and as carp do grew to be scary big. With teeth that would give your children nightmares. Nothing to do but kill them off since they were alien to the environment so as President, Ronny allowed the use of trichlorofloroethylene (sp?) highly toxic to fish introduced to Lake Davis. Worked remarkably well and tons upon tons of giant carp died near instantly.

Here is the kicker. The solvent mentioned is most commonly used to rinse off silicon wafers from which memory chips are cut and computer hard drives. It stockpiled because nobody wanted the heavy metal like chrome in it. Ronny saw killing fish, with toxic waste as a perfect completed environmental circle and a way to help out his contributors. Lake Davis know has high concentrations of heavy metals on the bottom that only show up naturally elsewhere in the World.

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Ends and sides don't have to be directly under sides of tank. That's the basics of a stand The old angle iron stands that actually fit the aquarium dont have tops.. So that's basic engineering of a stand.
I would think Id need a flat .75" plywood on top for structure. So you are telling me that the right & left ends of the tank dont have to be right over the plywood? And the front and back long piece of glass of the aquarium dont have to be over the plywood? Wouldn't that plywood soon sag and/or bow? I understand ppl using 4x4 and 2x6 and 2x4. So with that in mind, I would want the tank more secure using plywood. And I was going to use 1x4 or something screwed to the inside of the stand walls just to help the plywood stay straight. The reason behind the whole plywood idea is #1 its matched grade direction when stained. And if we were to ever move.... Well I worked as a "bedbugger"(driver for moving company) and them old wood desks and tables are built like Fort Knox. And a furniture dolly is always used. And I have all girls in my home. THat, and I would like more storage or shelf room under it for supplies and a sump. That cool you know the Kribensis fish. Not many ppl know of it and the ppl that do, like the more aggressive and bigger cichlids.

So back on topic, if the plywood walls are not right on the money, its "ok" if the back front or sides are not right on the plywood walls, because of the plywood top. Right?
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I think someone asked me ware I was from. Right now we are in Phoenix Arizona. I say right now, because my wife is slapping me all the time for moving us to the heat. Do I need to buy the $45 plywood or would the $20 basic plywood work for the walls?
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I think someone asked me ware I was from. Right now we are in Phoenix Arizona. I say right now, because my wife is slapping me all the time for moving us to the heat. Do I need to buy the $45 plywood or would the $20 basic plywood work for the walls?
Adhesive used to make the plies should be your primary issue of concern if you think there might ever be an issue of them ever getting wet. Do you have a real building supply store left near you? You might want to visit and discuss your needs. You will just get a blank stare from box store people.

I don't know what you mean by $45 vs. $20 plywood material. It is about more than price. That is quite a spread.
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I ment the different grades. At Home Depot they have $20 7ply plywood un-sanded, then they have some cabinet ready plywood thats sanded on both sides. And even a single sided sanded sheet.
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Scrolling through all the posts, I just wanted to thank everyone for there time and help. Ill try to stay on topic.

Looking at the current stand I was wandering if I were to make a book case and had one 1x4 supporting the center of the front of the aquarium if that would be good enough, or would there be too much stress on the other parts of the front glass piece. The reason I say that is because I know I want a sump in it, or I can do 2 canister filters on the left and right side, at that point I can use a sheet of plywood do make 2 small cabinets. One of the left and one on the right. And us the center for a sump, insted of the canisters, or use the center area as storage for supplies. Or just as shelves for looks and decoration. I just need to know how and if possible I can make it out of plywood for more room inside. ANd if not, I guess I can do the 2x4 house framing type. As for the gluing of the joints, I have Gorilla glue, or I can pick up liquid nails. And I was going to use that 100% silicone on all nooks and corners of the stand. And then seal the wood. Water in wood just destroys everything.

I really dont now 100% what I want the inside to look or function. IF I had to Id build a solid plywood box, add a bunch of metal L-brackets and streight metal brackets along the inside walls. ANd from there I would get the skill saw and cut a opening in front and add shelves, deviders, and or, 4 doors and 1x4 supports verticle inside next to each door for the hinges and/r support. Am I thinking possable or is my ideas unsafe? Home depot is open till 10 tonight. And someone had menchoned something about covering the sides of the plywood. I already saw the molding section of the store and I wanted to make a removable edging(molding) that cvovers the lower trim of the tank and the edge of the plywood. ANd for the piece on the floor. Ive heard other stuff about making it .50" above the bottom... something about weight displacement. But for now... Am I thinking right? I know that the plywood dont drill well on the ends when put together, so is the glue the first or main part of holding to together? then the metal brackets inside?
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You should do a quick sketch, including thicknesses of plywood and 2x?s, drawers, shelves, doors, etc.
Post it here and we can help further. You need it built strong, ....glued, screwed and tatooed to stay safe!

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You should do a quick sketch, including thicknesses of plywood and 2x?s, drawers, shelves, doors, etc.
Post it here and we can help further. You need it built strong, ....glued, screwed and tatooed to stay safe!

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So back on topic, if the plywood walls are not right on the money, its "ok" if the back front or sides are not right on the plywood walls, because of the plywood top. Right?
3/4 plywood top does add strength and structure and keeps cabinet square, aside from that as long as rim of tank was supported you wouldn't need it, old angle iron stand did not have a top, rim of tank sat in angles.
tanks were made of glass cemented in angle iron with black tar or spar varnish, for that matter, man did those things leak and rust. hooray for silicone.
I'm not talking a huge overhang, inch to 1 1/2 is fine, as long as top is secured to cabinet and you have a 1X2 or better 1X3 edge trim glued on outside edge, tank can be bigger than cabinet walls. ( water proof glue but you knew that. It is better if cabinet walls are a bit bigger than tanks. It is best to have tank walls and cab sides line up, especially long sides, but it does not have to be precise.
Plywood will mostly want to bow out like barrel on its side, especially with grain running horizontal, glue and screw 1x's vertically with narrow edge to plywood, bsides each end at least two evenly spaced, 3 better, means screws from outside, use trim head screws, could hide screws behind door trim or overlayed doors.(another idea coming later)
I saw you talking about the plywoods at Big orange, the pre-sanded cabinet grade, which you are going to resand, is fine for painting. For staining you will have to use a pentrating pre-stain and the grain is stll gonna be all crazy. Check out the price on that 3/4 oak. My first used car didn't cost that much. You can build the cab out of 3/4 boy cat and.... boy cat, BC plywood, stop interuppting... and apply 1/4 oak or other hardwood facing and stain that, even pre stain and finish B4 applying. That way you cover the screws and can paint cabinet, inside and out and all edges, with some tuff but ugly paint.
It is going to be heavy, we're talkin almost two sheets of plywood at 75 lbs a sheet plus extras, big size too. "all girls?" Oh, yeah, teen age boys come in handy sometimes, if you can get um off their rears, all ways lolly gaggin around thinkin about all them girls over at somebody elses house.
A sump! Man, that would be nice. Maybe even plumbing with a real drain and a hose on a temp controlled valve and... I've often had dreams of an identically sized tank hidden underneath as a gigantic filter, then had nightmares of the lift tubes and pumps failing.
I like a community tank, so I don't like the bigger aggresive fish, I don't like a one or few species tank, seems more like a museum piece to study than something to enjoy. Kribs and rams are both nice. I have done some geographical tanks, all Amazonian, SE Asian, even North American, we got some neat aquarium sized fish, killis, sunfish, mollies, other live bearers.
So back on topic, what is the topic? Oh, yeah. The cabnet and tank walls do not have to be right on the money, it is best if they do, especially long sides. I have seen tanks where the end bottoms are higher than the sides.
That half ton of water is being supported by a glass bottom, which, with a bit of support around the edges from a thin piece of plastic. transfers the weight to sides through silicone. Hooray for silicone! You got 3/8" thickness of glass to put directly over 3/4" of plywood, not too hard. Did I see a tape measure amongst your list of tools?
Think about how you're going to get the shelf in and support it among the braces and all. Braces can be used to attach supports, mite notch shelf around braces, probably multi piece shelf with proper supports is easiest to put in, put it in B4 securing top or back, amazing how impossible to get a big shelf thru a small door is. Drawers are nice for keeping smaller supplies like food and test equipment in, 'stead of looking all over giant cabinet for them. Remember water , water proof glues and finishes, exterior grade ply if gonna paint or skin with1/4 ply. let's see what am i forgetting? Oh yeah. Weekly tests for nitrates and....oh, that's another topic.
Rescued gold fish? Sounds dangerous rescuing them from fishermen using them for bait. Some fishermen have guns, most of um have knives or at least big sharp hooks. But then, she is Mrs. Danger Mouse! I gotta go now, I think the cartoon is about to start, shhh!

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