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cstrat 04-15-2007 08:31 AM

Crown moulding with a vaulted ceiling?
 
I did a search but could not find the answer. This started out as simply a kitchen remodel, but now I guess we are redoing the whole house except for bathrooms. As we go through the house we are removing the textured ceilings, installing crown mouldings and painting. My question is, we have one room, a family room addition, with the same textured ceiling, but with a vaulted ceiling. Is it common practice to install crown where there is a vaulted ceiling? Would it look strange? I don't think I have ever seen it done. Wondered what you think.

Thanks.

Chuck

AtlanticWBConst. 04-15-2007 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by cstrat (Post 41024)
I did a search but could not find the answer. This started out as simply a kitchen remodel, but now I guess we are redoing the whole house except for bathrooms. As we go through the house we are removing the textured ceilings, installing crown mouldings and painting. My question is, we have one room, a family room addition, with the same textured ceiling, but with a vaulted ceiling. Is it common practice to install crown where there is a vaulted ceiling? Would it look strange? I don't think I have ever seen it done. Wondered what you think.
Thanks.
Chuck

General rules are that you do not install the crown molding onto the vaulted areas of the ceiling. It just does not look right.
Usually, the crown is ended several inches short of the area - that starts the vault line. It is cut and returned back into the wall.

Darylh 04-15-2007 01:42 PM

You could install some 1x boards on the wall and then double layer step-ed on the ceiling or just do the ceiling edge. Another option is to scape a even four inches of texture off all the ceiling edges and paint it the wall color.

zel 04-15-2007 02:33 PM

I'm glad this came up. I have been wondering the same thing as well. After looking at pictures on google, it appears some people ignore the vaulted ceiling and continue the crown molding at the height of the top of the lowest walls. Heres an example I found: http://www.woodweb.com/knowledge_bas...ed_ceiling.jpg

krazy johnni 04-22-2007 12:09 AM

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You can do it but you have to put in a transition piece to make it look right.

sleepy23 05-06-2007 11:10 PM

i was just about to ask this same question. does anyone have any more pictures or has anyone attempted it? I have vaulted ceilings in my kitchen/ living room area and am really looking for a way to dress up the walls. I am not sure I like the idea of running the crown at the same height as the lowest portion of the wall. i will look for more pictures of that, but if anyone has any additional pics of that concept, i would greatly appreciate seeing them.
Thanks

send_it_all 05-06-2007 11:36 PM

I have heard people on these forums say that it isnt right to crown a vaulted ceiling, but I have done it a few times and I dont think it looks bad. You should have some experience with crown installation before you do this. (specifically with coping the corners instead of mitering)

What I did was run the crown up the sides first, cutting the ends at an angle to match the wall angle....(make sense?)

then on the top, you just lean the crown outward to match up the cope to the side piece you already installed.

On the bottom, you need to lean the crown upward, (flatter to the wall), to match the cope.
You dont need to figure out any fancy angles because the ceiling is vaulted. You just use 45s like you would in a square, flat room. Try to visualize it like this:...you have 4 sticks of crown assembled on the floor in a square shape, nailed together at the corners. You then stand in the center of one of the sides and lift it into the air, the other side still resting on the floor. This is how it will be when it is in place in the room the room with a vaulted ceiling.

The problem with laying the crown flatter to the wall is the fact that when you do this, the bottom of the crown that is supposed to sit flat against the wall, seperates from the wall, leaving a gap. What I do to counter this is run the crown through my table saw to cut off the original step (whatever you call it) on the back side/bottom of crown. This creates a sharper angle that lays flat to the wall. After I have cut and test-fitted my pieces, I run a bead of latex painter's caulk along the back of the crown where it contacts the wall, top and bottom, to help adhesion. I do this with all crown, not just vaulted ceilings. In fact, I rarely even hunt for studs to nail into. I just glue the crown to the wall with caulking and shoot nails into drywall. When the caulking dries, you can prctically do chin-ups on the crown without it pulling off. Its pretty strong. Make sure to have a damp rag handy to clean any oozing caulking as you go. Don't let it dry. Try not to let it ooze at all by keeping the bead to the innermost part of the flat on the back of the crown. Then go back and caulk it properly after it's done. This method of crowning a vaulted ceiling is probably not a good 1st time crown job. Hope this helps.

ralphie 07-23-2007 09:42 AM

does this work for 1/4 round molding on vaulted ceilings too.

troubleseeker 07-24-2007 11:02 PM

I personally do not like crown up a vaulted ceiling, but many people do, and it can physically be done, although not a great first time DIY project. This is an installation that leaves a great many finish carpenters mumbling. It is either done with a transition piece as one response pointed out, or by using two different size mouldings, reripping the top and bottom angles of one, so that the moulding can be sprung off the wall at a different angle than the standard factory mill profile. Using tha same size for the flat and rake walls will result in the piece on the flat wall being almost completely flat, and quite obvious unless it is very high up. The different size moulding will allow you to cheat the angle enough to force the cope, yet still maintain enough spring angle from the wall to not be an eye catcher.

Electricnewbie 07-27-2007 07:32 PM

Here is a book that I purchased and it gives you very detailed instructions and several tables to use depending upon what the pitch of your ceiling is.

http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?p...molding%20book

HiFi 07-28-2007 01:35 PM

No crowns in the vaulted area...personally I think Y not go for it

mininurse 02-09-2008 08:45 PM

crown on vaulted ceilings
 
Does anybody have pictures of a vaulted ceiling with crown that is completed? We are building our house and are almost done and don't know what to do with our vaulted ceiling in the livingroom. help!

Wings42 07-15-2008 11:58 AM

This has stumped me for weeks.
 
This website is great. Thanks all.

I think that krazy johnni has the best idea yet, but it looks pretty difficult.

I have the Crown and Molding book. Even with my engineering background and a lot of math courses, figuring how to accurately miter the corners with all the angles involved makes my head feel like exploding.

I was thinking of building a box at each corner, and just butting the molding up to the boxes. That would solve the problems of complex compound angle cuts and molding edges not matching up. The right size boxes with the right decorative appliqués should look OK in our very large room that vaults up to about 16".

fyrzowt 07-15-2008 12:13 PM

Here is a web site that I like for photos and ideas. This page has photos of crown jobs they've done.
Lots of folks run crown into vaulted rooms.

http://mfandt.com/photo/Default.asp?7

Wings42 07-15-2008 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by fyrzowt (Post 139508)
Here is a web site that I like for photos and ideas. This page has photos of crown jobs they've done.
Lots of folks run crown into vaulted rooms.

http://mfandt.com/photo/Default.asp?7

The pinch-block corners is what I had in mind, except they look a lot easier to cut and install than the built-up boxes I had envisioned. Thank for the site.


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