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bard243 03-13-2013 10:39 PM

can you tell me if this is a load bearing wall?
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II attached 3 pics. in the first pic the wall is to the right and the later pics it is on the left. It is a very thin wall and I don't think there is a wall beneath it.Attachment 67296

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fetzer85 03-13-2013 10:46 PM

How large is the walkway beside the fridge? A normal door-sized opening or a large (5ft+) opening?

bard243 03-13-2013 10:48 PM

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fetzer85 03-13-2013 10:57 PM

Yes, sort of, thanks.

I'm not a structure expert but from the looks I'd say it could possibly be. When you say it's very thin, is it less than 4.5" thick? A 2x4 wall w/ drywall should be at least 4.5" thick, so if it's less than that I'd be surprised if the made a load bearing wall out of something smaller than 2x4's. (ie 2x3's)

Do you happen to know which way your joists go?

bard243 03-13-2013 11:07 PM

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I can't tell how thick. Honestly I think it could be thinner than that, but I'm not there, all I got is pictures and this is a house we are buying. I enclosed another picture of what the opening and wall is like beneath that area. If you look I think you can see that the opening on the lower level is much wider than the opening on the upper level. Would you say that even if it is a load bearing wall we might get away with removing some piece of this wall?

And just so noone gets worried, I'm not gonna start taking down walls or anything based on this advice. I'm just curious till we can get someone out there.
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GBrackins 03-13-2013 11:17 PM

no way to tell from the photos, it would require an on-site investigation to know for sure. assumptions made without a proper investigation can lead to disaster. if you deal is based upon being able to remove the wall I'd strongly suggest employing a professional engineer to come to the home and make the determination.

Good luck!

fetzer85 03-13-2013 11:23 PM

So that opening downstairs is right below the opening upstairs? The way that beefy support goes across the opening makes me think it's load bearing. Obviously you won't know for sure from those pics however even if it is load bearing you should be able to restructure it to open it up more.

bard243 03-13-2013 11:31 PM

yeah like do you think if I put a support on the other side of the upstairs opening, I might be able to open up a four or five foot section of that wall, such as to give the kitchen a little more pass through into the other room? Something along those lines?

fetzer85 03-13-2013 11:41 PM

Probably yes. For example, the opening downstairs looks significantly bigger than the one upstairs. With the proper research & know-how I would think you could enlarge the opening. Heck, you may find that's not even a structural wall, in which case you would have a fairly simple project on your hands.

ronnio 03-14-2013 12:05 AM

i think, if you took the drywall from the ceiling, you would see a beam. it probably would not be long enough to extend your opening, but you could always replace it. our local lumberyard sells beams and will spec them out, if you provide the measurements they need.

i don't even need to walk in to know that's a 2x4 wall. there are cabinets on one side and outlets, switches, air return, and even a door on the other side.

jagans 03-14-2013 08:37 AM

Of course you can. You jack and hold the ceiling joists on both sides of the wall by dropping a 2 x 6 across the floor joists on the bottom and install a plate on the top and cut a few 2 x 4's and wedge them in on both sides of the wall as temporary support. Remove the area you want. Here you have to probably rerout electric HVAC returns etc etc if they are in that wall and in your way. Then you put in a header Usually double 2 x 10 with 1/2 inch plywood web, depending on span. Load it to trimmers and king studs to the sole plate on both sides, then fill in the floor, finish your wall, and trim it out. Piece of cake. (For someone who knows what they are doing) :wink:This is no deal breaker if you like the house.

PS the basement opening was easy because it was undoubtedly between lally columns which hold up a girder all the way across your basement. Just a curtain wall. (No Load)

bard243 03-14-2013 08:34 PM

Thanks to all for your suggestions. I don't know what I'm doing, but can anyone give me some quotes on what they think this might cost to do if it is a load bearing wall? Also any advice on how to approach or find someone who can do this for me?

redman88 03-14-2013 09:35 PM

do a line drawing of your house, all floors. and look at the way the roof is. and pull out a tape measure.

ubcguy89 03-18-2013 10:58 PM

look at your roof, generally a load bearing wall runs opposite of the joists.

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