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swoop 09-28-2012 06:29 PM

cabinet drawer questions
I just acquired some 18 X 29 base cabinets that came from a built in bookcase. My question is how would the easiest way to build drawers for these cabinets. I eventually want to bring the overall hieght up to 36 inches after counter top when done.

mae-ling 09-28-2012 06:41 PM

if these are going side by side. Install base cabinets. Add on top the case needed for the drawers with slides installed as one unit.
Kinda like a book case on it's side.

user1007 09-28-2012 11:43 PM

Are you planning to hide the drawers behind cabinet doors or will the faces show. I guess either way, you may get lucky and find drawer glides, etc. that will be ready to install online. They may even have decent drawers to go with them.

swoop 09-29-2012 08:43 AM

I would want the drawers to end up looking just like the way drawers appear on a regular kitchen base cabinet. Just not sure if the way I'm thinking of making these drawers are the way to do it.

What I'm thinking of is taking a 1x6 and routing out the drawer openings and make a box from there. Or is there a easier way?

madforrit 10-04-2012 02:31 PM

There are several ways to build drawers but a lot depends on the style of drawer you want (overlay or inset), the style of the base cabinet (face-frame, frameless), AND the drawer slides that you will use.

Firstly, is there a face frame on the front of the base cabinets you acquired or are the front edges of the cabinet frameless (just the edge of 3/4" material)?

Secondly, do you want your drawer fronts to be flush with the front edges of the base cabinets when closed (inset) or lay over them (overlay). Partially or completely?

Do you have your specific drawer slides picked out? Are they side-mount or undermount? The dimensions of your drawer boxes depend on the slides. For example, some slides will require a drawer box that is 1/2" smaller than the width of the cabinet opening on each side. For others it may be more or less.

Regardless of the specifics from above, a drawer box for cabinets is usually built with four sides (plywood would be best unless you have access to milling machines to ensure solid wood is straight and square) and a bottom. Traditionally, the joinery at the corners of the box might be dovetails or box joints, but a simple rabbet joint + brads could work. Also traditionally, the bottom would be held in place in a groove in the sides and back. I don't know what tools you have at your disposal so it is difficult to suggest more specifics with respect to construction.

You would space out your drawer slides and install them to the base cabinet insides, along with the drawer boxes. If inset drawers, you would install the slides/boxes such that the box is set back from the front of the cabinet the thickness of your front. If overlay fronts, the box should be flush with the front of the cabinet when closed. Once the boxes are in, size and attach the decorative fronts.

Phew, that was a mouthful. Hope I didn't misunderstand your project.

swoop 10-05-2012 06:58 AM

My cabinets do have a face frame. I would want the drawers to have the same look when I'm done. Looking at my kitchen cabinets that have a face frame as well, the frame between the top of the door and drawer is two inches. So for my acquired cabinets, the frame above those doors is two inches too. I have to figure out how to make my drawer carcass to sit on top of my cabinet top to use the existing face frame. Is this a piece meal approach to assembling the frame? The cabinets will be up against a wall, so I can use the wall to secure the backs of my drawer carcass. Sound right?

madforrit 10-05-2012 12:03 PM

Ah, I see. You are wanting to add height to the cabinet box you acquired and that's where you want the drawer to go?

You would basically need to add panels to the cabinet sides to "extend" them. You would add a panel to each side and then cross-pieces to the top on the front and back. Once you added to the cabinet carcass you could come back and add face frame to the front.

A lot depends on what the material of the existing acquired cabinets is and what tools/techniques you have at your disposal to make this joint strong. Pics of the acquired cabinet and your kitchen cabs would help a lot.

funfool 10-05-2012 05:41 PM

Will be advanced carpentry to build these your self.
29" really sounds like bathroom cabinets. While the 36" is the standard cabinet hight.
What you really need to decide is, how bad do you want this?

Would be simple to build a box as in photo above, then cut out the front for the drawer, then add drawer glides or support of some sort.
This will take some effort and work to do.
You are only gaining 7" or so, why not just build a base for the cabinets to sit on and raise them up?

Either way, you are getting into custom cabinet building to do this, trying to match existing wood and make it look like it was always there will not be easy.

I could do this for fun, for a customer, cost effective is simply buy new cabinets that fit.

swoop 10-06-2012 10:57 AM

well the cabinets are already in the spot where they will be, so I am at least moving forward with the project in answer to the how bad do I want this question. One end of the cabinets will be against the adjacent wall and the backs of the cabinets will have a wall as well. So only one end of the cabinets will be exposed when I'm done. The cabinets where sitting on the floor without a toe kick when I aquired them. They where part of a bookshelve and base cabinet system. But I'm certain I can make this work as long as I take my time about it. The bottoms of the cabinet have almost six inches of lower material under the door. What I have done so far is make a template and taken a jig saw and cut out a design in this material. I borrowed the design from the bottom of an old dresser that is in the house. traced that on to construction paper and the transfered the outline to the cabinet bottom. I'm making these cabinets look more like a piece of furniture when I'm done. My next stage is to brace up the bottoms so they can support the bun feet that I bought. After the feet are put on and bottoms braced I will set the cabinets and start working on the drawers. I am at work today but I will take some pictures of them this week to let you guys see what it is I'm trying to describe.

funfool 10-06-2012 02:10 PM

pictures are always great, I still need to figure out how to post them here and will.
In another forum I post many pics, getting tired of the trolls and just found this forum.
I have found that posting pics, even though I have a good idea of where I am headed with the project, post a pic and get many useful ideas I never thought of.

I like the idea of the feet already, maybe posting pics will get you more ideas.
I have a bathroom remodel coming up for myself, I bought some turned table legs at a garage sale 3 years ago, 1 1/2 years ago I got the mexican sink basin, I have the side mount faucet for it. Between tile and selection of lumber, is going to be a one of a kind bathroom vanity cabinet, will not be able to buy in a store.

This is what I meant by, "how bad do you want it"
Some just want or need to get it done and installed, if you have time and skills, posting pics will go a long ways.
Has helped me many times.

swoop 10-10-2012 10:15 PM

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I took a few pictures to help show my project. As I stated in my earlier post the cabinets have no drawers as of yet. I have cut out a design on the bottoms and mounted a few bun feet. hopefully you all can see what I'm up against by the pictures. i apologize that the cabinets are lying on their backs right now.Attachment 58677

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swoop 10-10-2012 10:18 PM

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zakany 10-11-2012 03:43 PM

Sounds like you'll want to build an open-faced box 5-1/2 inches high to affix to the top of these cabinets. That will show from the side, unless you have a plan to cover the exposed end. Then you can extend the face frames to cover the front edges and give the extension rigidity.

As far as making drawers, I pretty much suck at that. Myself, I'd see if I could just buy them.

swoop 10-24-2012 08:52 AM

I have finally got done with the bottoms of my cabinets. A lot of sanding and I trimmed up some of the designs that didn't look symetrical. I ran my waste line for the sink over to the waste line where my bathroom vanity will be which is 16 feet away from the bar sink area. It was fun feeding the line behind the wall. Good thing I allowed the room when I framed the wall a couple years ago. Any way the new height of the cabinets is now 32 inches from floor to top. Doesn't allow the room for a regular size drawer with a counter top finished height of 36 inches. If I keep my countertop thickness at 1.5 inches then that leaves me with 2.5 inches for a drawer, which I'm not opposed to such a shallow drawer. Anyway my initial thought of making my drawers with a face frame and attach that to the cabinets is now out of the question. I do think that a faceless frame for the drawers is the way to go. I will post some new pics of my cabinets this weekend.

ewryter 10-25-2012 07:32 PM

The easiest way would be to make the drawer faces if there are any and buy the drawer boxes and apply the faces. I'm looking at a banner add for the Barker Door Company on this site while I'm writing this post. For the price you can buy them its not worth making them except maybe for sentimental reasons.

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