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Old 11-21-2013, 09:17 PM   #1
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Cabinet Assembly...... Which would you prefer?


So the cabinet manufacturer is claiming that pocket holes would weaken the plywood to the point where their warranty would no longer be valid.

They only give me two options for assembly :

1 : Glue and use 5/16 Senclamps on the inside of the cabinet to attach the two sides to the face. The only downside that I can see to this is that I don't have a gun, and neither does the local rental place.

2 : Glue and shoot 18 gauge 1" long brad nails through the side panel into the face from the outside of the cabinet. The downsides I can see to using this method is that I'll be leaving holes in the outside of the cabinet that I will have to fill, and i'm also taking a chance that a 1" nail shot through a 1/2" side panel and into a 3/4" face could blow all the way out if I hit a soft spot in the wood. (Solid maple face frames)

I also have a wide crown stapler with 3/8 long staples, but again, they recommend the senclamps over this fastener, and it may cause warranty issues down the road.

It kind of seems to me that if i'm gluing the panels together that it shouldn't matter what fastener I use, because it's only holding together until the glue dries. The glue should be stronger than the hardware especially with solid wood, right?

The other thing is while i'm not pushed for time, if I don't start putting them together this weekend, then i'm going to be burning an entire weekend where I could be doing something, and next weekend is turkey day cleanup.

What do you think?

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Old 11-22-2013, 06:08 AM   #2
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I may be just slow, but I'm having trouble still trying to figure out what it is exactly your trying to do.
I personally have never unassembled cabinets not come with everything you need come with them. Most just need a soft mallet and a screw driver.
A picture, web site may help my old worn out brain.

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Yea....I thought we already went through this once....

Can you post pictures?
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Yea....I thought we already went through this once....
You are right, but apparently they don't want to stray from the manufacturer's installation instructions which recommend either a senclamp on the inside of the cabinet or a 1" x 18 gauge brad nail from the outside of the cabinet toenailed into the face frame.

Here is an example :

http://www.thertastore.com/v/vspfile...0936-W2136.pdf

Am I mistaken when I say that a glue joint would be stronger than any fastening method out there? (save for maybe pocket hole screws)

Technically since all of the joints are dadoed, I should be able to glue, and clamp and leave the fasteners out of it?

Ugh... just realized I got up and forgot to submit.
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i would glue them. my new cabinets are stapled together, and has some screws in places. i added glue to all places that had exposed real wood.
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So i tried the finish nailer approach on one of the cabinets. The results are less than satisfactory. The maple is hard enough that the nail won't even drive all the way into the side wall, so the head is still exposed.

I think i'm going to say the hell with it and drill a bunch of pocket holes. I should really have no issues down the road with that route.

It will be better and cheaper than a senclamp tool.
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All is well. Got three uppers assembled in between doing other chores around the house, and hung them up tonight. Very happy with the pocket screws, and my wife is very impressed with the kreg jig.

I even let her do all the drilling.

Here they are so far :



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those look a lot like mine. is that cherry ?
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those look a lot like mine. is that cherry ?
They are maple. Mind posting a picture of yours? I'm interested to see your handle choice as well. I'm having a very hard time deciding.
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i wish i had gotten maple. my cherry seems kinda soft

i am doing handle comparisons right now. yes, it is difficult deciding. but we think we have it picked.
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this is the one we are going with. it matches the wood color very well and looks great. it has a nice "feel" to it also.

another that is nice, but a little on the dark side.

from a distance. you can see how the one on the right blends in better.
we are going to be putting there on the doors also.


the granite was installed friday morning.
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You are right, they look almost identical!

We didn't really care for the look of the dark handles on them though.

Also because all of the uppers are 36" tall all of the 3" pulls seemed really too small for the size of the doors, so we're searching for something a little bigger.

I actually wouldn't have minded "No handles" because i think they look great as is, but there's not really a good way to grip the doors to open them either.

How did you get the handle to stay there without drilling for it?
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the 3" pulls are to small. those are 5".

i like handles, even if i didn't need them. they add "detail".

they are drilled.

btw. you think handle shopping is hard. wait till you start deciding on back splash tile.
i have looked at over 100 styles. i didn't like any of them.
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the 3" pulls are to small. those are 5".

i like handles, even if i didn't need them. they add "detail".

they are drilled.

btw. you think handle shopping is hard. wait till you start deciding on back splash tile.
i have looked at over 100 styles. i didn't like any of them.
My wife picked something out for backsplash tile before we even had the drywall back up.
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can I ask what cabinet brand you purchased? I placed an order yesterday for Conestoga Wood cabinets, and was just told they should be shipped by 2/21.
What wood glue did you use? I bought hard Maple paint grade for those I am spray painting, and the higher grade Cherry for those lower cabinets I am going to stain and finish. This will be the largest stain project to date. Have refinished a 5 piece bedroom set 30 years ago, but never stained 7 cabinets and painting 5. These are in addition to what we have along with replacing all the lowers except the center island.

Would be curious to see how your whole kitchen cabinet build turned out

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