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Old 12-10-2009, 07:48 PM   #16
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Hate to bring it up again, but brand new Canon all in one printer with color and B&W cartridges (that cost as much if you buy them separately), boxed with a USB cable are on an sale everywhere for like $50!

I hate being wasteful but come on. Get a new one compatible with 7 or whatever unless you put no value on your time. Use the Canon or HP plan to recycle your old printer. If you are into HP? Get an HP laser on sale for $90 on ebay, in box, with cartridge.
OK, I ADMIT IT...I'M CHEAP!!


there, are you happy??

I just hate tossing a very good printer that works very well when there shouldn't be a need to do so.



I have reluctantly accepted that my scanner will be discarded though. It was not working properly before 7 so I am not bothered by it going away.

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Old 12-11-2009, 05:15 AM   #17
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OK, I ADMIT IT...I'M CHEAP!!


there, are you happy??

I just hate tossing a very good printer that works very well when there shouldn't be a need to do so.



I have reluctantly accepted that my scanner will be discarded though. It was not working properly before 7 so I am not bothered by it going away.
Never happy having to discard working things missing only something stupid like a software driver to get them working. And if people ever look for me, I can usually be found taking a nap at the base of a tree I hugged all day or floating on a boat on a body of water I would just as soon not have lots of high tech heavy metal waste hiding on the bottom.

I never regarded your comments in any way that would point to you being cheap. You are cut from the same cloth I was I suspect. Fix it if you can. But there did come a point for me.

I totally agree with you. Maybe if I send 6-8 printers back to Canon next year they will start getting the message? HP has a similar program. Drop their ink and laser cartridge prices?

How much is your time worth to you? How much have you spent just responding to my posts? Yeah sure, it is leisure time.

Do recycle your high tech waste properly. Unless you do have some strange emotional attachment to it all? Get rid of it. If it is brand name, ask about the company recycling programs like HP and Canon have.

Imagine a new all in one to replace your broken/marginally working printer and scanner.

I really hate that I am right in this. I used to keep everything I owned, including socks and topsiders, until they fell apart or certain women in my life did a closet sweep. I am not going to feed $65 worth of ink cartridges into an old printer when a new one comes with them for $40.

If that sounds cheap, so be it.

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OK, I ADMIT IT...I'M CHEAP!!


there, are you happy??

I just hate tossing a very good printer that works very well when there shouldn't be a need to do so.



I have reluctantly accepted that my scanner will be discarded though. It was not working properly before 7 so I am not bothered by it going away.
don't throw it out! i use scanner parts in my boxes!!! old hdd parts too!
we live pretty close to each other, let's meet halfway or something!

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Old 12-11-2009, 08:35 AM   #19
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I still have my old scanner
My wife's PC, son's PC & my laptop are still XP
And will stay XP for a LONG time
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Old 12-11-2009, 09:38 AM   #20
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I never regarded your comments in any way that would point to you being cheap. You are cut from the same cloth I was I suspect. Fix it if you can. But there did come a point for me.
in case you might have thought I was angry or offended and thus the reply. no, I was not. It was meant to be humorous.


[QUOTEh]ow much is your time worth to you? How much have you spent just responding to my posts? Yeah sure, it is leisure time. [/QUOTE]weii, right this minute, it is 14F outside and I am pseudo-retired so my time is without a price.

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Goodwill now accepts all electronic junk and it gets recycled. Hope they liked my dads 3 pu truckloads (so far) of electronics (not kidding either)

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All in one? NEVER. I have this thing about seperates.
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I really hate that I am right in this. I used to keep everything I owned, including socks and topsiders, until they fell apart or certain women in my life did a closet sweep. I am not going to feed $65 worth of ink cartridges into an old printer when a new one comes with them for $40.
topsiders? clue me.

the problem is, if I replace this printer, I will probably spend in excess of $300 to do it. I will probably step up to a color laser instead of monochrome.
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don't throw it out! i use scanner parts in my boxes!!! old hdd parts too!
we live pretty close to each other, let's meet halfway or something!

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let me know what you can actually use. The scanner, no problem.

HDD's what do you use them for? Parts? how many do you want? my dad probably has 100 of them, if not more but they are all old and small capacity though. Very outdated. Very VERY outdated.
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i sent you an email.... thanks!

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I never buy the all-in ones either, never liked them
Scanner is rarely used, so that stays in a closet most of the time
2 printers - old one sits by my PC, new one is network capable, location undecided
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Hello! Hope I can help with this... I totally understand where you are coming from, 1012's are great little printers, and inkjets are (for the most part) trash. Laser jets are just so nice!

First off, can you list your computer specs? The only really important thing to me is the version of Windows 7 (Is it Ultimate? Is it 32 or 64 bit?) and any other info you have would be good to (model, processor, ram, etc)

How are you connecting to the device, I assume USB...

What does the printer do when you reboot? Does the old entry for the printer disappear? (I.e., the previously working 22XX you made). Are you letting windows install the printer and then changing the driver manually?

What are you mainly doing with the printer? Have you had any issues with using the workaround driver so far? Have you successfully printed graphics, etc?

HP continues to please customers with their awesome support of their products... I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news (if you didn't already know the degree to which HP has turned its back on support for the 1012 - and many other printers) your printer is listed as a category 6:

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Category 6 - Selected product is not supported in Windows 7
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For more information regarding upgrade programs and new product information, please visit the HP Trade-In/Trade Up website at www.hp.com/united-states/tradein/home_flash.html or directly from HP at www.hp.com .
This means that they aren't going to be bothered to write a driver for it. Thanks for lookin out, HP! Stay classy.

So, anyway... a couple of things we can try:


1. Try the 1015 driver instead of the 22XX

Try deleting every instance of the printer from your system and reboot. Let Windows detect it like the retarded nanny-android that it is. Let it do whatever it wants to do, install it, error out, etc... Now just name the printer "Bad" or "Ignore Me" and don't set it as default. Now, add a printer manually... name it 1012 or whatever you want. You might just select "LTP1" as the printer port, if you don't see USB listed.

Once that install is done (go ahead and let it set itself as default, and if you set it up on LTP1 skip the test page - right click the printer, go to properties, then go to ports; find the USB port and select that. Try a test page now *if you can't figure out which port it is, go in to the printer that Windows created and note the port there*) - If the 1015 driver ends up not working, go ahead and do a fresh manual install with the 22XX driver, as listed above.

Once you have the printer printing normally, try a reboot... it should not detect again as the operating system should see that it already installed the device as the bogus printer. Either way it should NOT touch your manually specified printer, if it keeps detecting just cancel the wizard (always a pain).

2. If you have a network switch or router/WAP with switch ports built in (no one should have a direct connection from their PC to a DSL/Cable/Analog modem - without a very good software firewall or a sense of adventure) you could consider purchasing a cheap print server:

http://tinyurl.com/nap-printer-issue


With this guy, you just plug the printer into the USB port on the print server and then put the print server on the network. Then you just add the printer as a networked printer... bango. Windows no longer even sees it a local device.

The added benefit of this is that you can share the printer with anyone else on the network, you can move the printer around (as long as it can reach the network - I am sure there are wireless options too... more expensive for sure) and if you use a laptop, etc, you no longer have to plug/unplug. This device will work with other printers, etc.

3. Although it'd be a pain in the butt, you could use (pretty easily if you have Win 7 Pro or Win 7 Ultimate) virtual PC to make the printer connect through a virtual XP instance.

If you have XP install media, you could use a free version of VMware, and build a virtual machine and just use it to access the printer, scanner, and any software that is not compatible with Win 7.

These options are only really worth it if you have a real need to run a native XP client for other applications (or if the workaround drivers for your 1012 end up not working for certain applications - graphics, line drawings, photos, etc)

Let me know if any of this helps, we'll get this smacked one way or another!
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Dell Optiplex GX620 Pent 4, 2.8 Ghtz, 3.5 gig RAM

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How are you connecting to the device, I assume USB..
.USB direct to computer. I have a Linksys WRT54G router but there are no USB ports on that.

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I'll have to check. I have forgotten after doing so many different things.

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Does the old entry for the printer disappear? (I.e., the previously working 22XX you made).
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Are you letting windows install the printer and then changing the driver manually?
yes. I have found no way to stop it.

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What are you mainly doing with the printer?
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no problems and have printed some graphics

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HP continues to please customers with their awesome support of their products... I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news (if you didn't already know the degree to which HP has turned its back on support for the 1012 - and many other printers) your printer is listed as a category 6:
Ya, I read that as well






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says it cannot install and then lists error 0x000006be

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no luck with most of that. some I do not understand and have not tried yet but I am tenacious, if nothing else. But as I read through, I saw the following and stopped trying for the moment.

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3. Although it'd be a pain in the butt, you could use (pretty easily if you have Win 7 Pro or Win 7 Ultimate) virtual PC to make the printer connect through a virtual XP instance.
win 7 pro, yes!!

so, how big of an ordeal is a virtual world where things work like they are supposed to?

and the print server; that would connect the printer directly to the router via ethernet connection? Would this be the simplest method?

just as added info, when I try to print something, when it isn't working, that paper comes out with:

unsupported personality: PCL

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Well, if you want to (and have time to do something like that on the weeknight, I could Mikogo or whatever desktop sharing program, into your machine and see if I can't take a look at it. I THINK I can force it to print to that USB port with any driver we want, but not totally sure - I would be curious to see how it behaves.

You can try to install the Post Script driver for the 22XX series, or... if you are using the PCL6, switch to the PCL5e and try that.

When you set up the 22XX driver, and then reboot, has Windows automatically switched the driver over to the non-working 1012 driver?

The print server is definitely a simple option. But it may take a bit more doing to get it working properly... I think it should be 100% straightforward, but I am not positive... I think worst case you'd have to follow a step by step list to manually create a TCP/IP port.

You should probably try out "XP Mode" first if you haven't yet... the download and install/config instructions are here:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/vir.../download.aspx

Once you get that set, see what she do.

If that does not work, we can try VMware Player and see if that is worth the hassle. At that point you'd be running a PC within a PC... so, it would have its own updates and would need to be started and shutdown after and before (respectively) the hosting Windows 7 OS - which, if you don't reboot a lot is no big deal really. Again, probably only worth it if you had other incompatibilities within Windows 7.... just using it to print might be a hassle.

You could also check EBay for a print server, just make sure it is USB and Ethernet.
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You should probably try out "XP Mode" first if you haven't yet... the download and install/config instructions are here:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/vir.../download.aspx
see there? no-one EVER listens to me....
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see there? no-one EVER listens to me....
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