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Old 05-02-2009, 10:00 PM   #46
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Thats it...I've had enough with vista.


Giving warning after warning about nothing invalidates the warning
Thus the warning is garbage

Ever hear of the boy who cried Wolf?

The fact is people just want the computer to work
Many don't want to know or care to know how it works
And many simply do not have the experience or the time to gain the expereince
Bosses want the work done, retraining people every time MS changes the OS or Office suite is not an option & too expensive
Changing menu's & the way things work just because they think it adds pizzaz doesn not add value to software

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Old 05-05-2009, 10:53 AM   #47
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Giving warning after warning about nothing invalidates the warning
Thus the warning is garbage

Ever hear of the boy who cried Wolf?

The fact is people just want the computer to work
Many don't want to know or care to know how it works
And many simply do not have the experience or the time to gain the expereince
Bosses want the work done, retraining people every time MS changes the OS or Office suite is not an option & too expensive
Changing menu's & the way things work just because they think it adds pizzaz doesn not add value to software

Agree 100%. Reference security, M$ even said so when they stated that Windows 7 would be less "annoying". A large amount of Vista users have turned off this 'wonderful' security (non)feature.

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Old 05-05-2009, 11:49 AM   #48
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Thats it...I've had enough with vista.


Look, if you guys just don't like Vista and aren't interested in changing with the technology, there's a very simple solution for you. I'll sell you all my old hardware (that will run XP and Office 03 wonderfully). I'm sure the old games, printers, and apps will be readily available to you for many years to come. You can simply sit back and enjoy the satisfaction of knowing that the pain you experienced learning the ropes on XP will be all you need undergo for the foreseeable future -no need to work your brain anymore (like you once did)

OTOH, if you want to continue using technology and adapting to it as it changes, read on. Otherwise, take a break and move on to another thread...

The menus in Office 07 and Vista weren't just to add pizzaz. They are a tremendous time saver -and a much more efficient use of screen real estate considering the fact that the GUI for Office hasn't changed significantly like this since it was first even considered a GUI at all (circa 1991). Windows hasn't changed their GIU significantly since Windows95. Give this a try and let me know what you think...

Open up the Character Map program:

In XP, click START --> ACCESSORIES --> SYSTEM TOOLS --> CHARACTER MAP

In Vista, hit the Windows button --> start typing "cha" --> you will notice that the start menu has already found the program you're looking for and highlighted it... So just hit Enter and you're done. You never even used your mouse in the process.

In Office 07, the start menu dynamically changes based on what you're in the middle of doing. There absolutely NO reason to have the toolbar for Table Formatting open when you're just typing words. Instead, inserting a table is under the Insert ribbon --and when you highlight a table, that set of tools appears as needed. There's a decent video showing how it works here.

I could go on but I think you get the point...
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Old 05-05-2009, 01:19 PM   #49
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It's not a matter of changing with the Technology
Having bloated software that is not needed & gives no added benefit is the point

Computeres have increased in speed
The bloated software cancels out that increase
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Old 05-13-2009, 03:04 PM   #50
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Had it on my laptop. Went back to XP. Never got CorelDRAW to work on my laptop till reloaded it with XP.

I believe that Microsoft allows you to load XP if you purchased Vista. At least they did for a while.
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Old 05-17-2009, 09:42 PM   #51
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Thats it...I've had enough with vista.


Have a network engineer for a wife. 4 computers at home - 3 running linux and 1 running Windows 2003 server.

The 2 linux desktop been running without a reboot or crash for 6 months. The linux laptop runs with the same stability. Windows Server is better than xp or vista but still crashes for no reason sometimes.
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Old 07-24-2009, 11:59 AM   #52
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Wow, I see the Vista "hornet's nest" has hit DIY Chatroom too

For what it's worth, I was reluctant to move to Vista myself -- even with over 20 years of computer and programming experience. I've used Microsoft OS's since DOS, but the backlash on Vista has been stunning.

I finally built a new quad-core PC and decided to throw Vista-64 Ultimate on it. I did not care for it until I had used it for a while. No, I did not "drink the MS Kool-aid", I just accepted it for what it was for the ideas it tried to adopt.

As for the annoying security pop-ups, yup, they annoy me too. But I understand that even though I hate the "Run as Administrator?" questions when I am logged in as Administrator it is an unfortunate by-product of the increased security the public screamed for.

Now, as a developer, I also understand that the better solution would be to detect whether a program/process was being launched by some other process *or because of a user starting it via mouse and/or keyboard activity*. That alone could reduce the number of annoying confirmation boxes.

I do not see performance issues, but I also was not trying to install it on an existing older model PC. I play World of Warcraft, which is a bit of a CPU/memory hog itself, and I can run multiple copies of it on the same machine simultaneously (I've gone as high as 4 copies). If Vista truly was hogging RAM as many say, it would not be possible to do that.

Software I write runs as well on Vista as it does on XP machines, so no complaints there either.

Sure, it's a matter of taste and individual preference, but as someone who's worked on writing operating systems, trying to deliver all the things people say they want the OS to handle will inevitably lead to large operating systems.

If you want to know true pain, I think I still have the install disks for Windows 1.1 around here somewhere...
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Old 07-24-2009, 12:06 PM   #53
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Have a network engineer for a wife. 4 computers at home - 3 running linux and 1 running Windows 2003 server.

The 2 linux desktop been running without a reboot or crash for 6 months. The linux laptop runs with the same stability. Windows Server is better than xp or vista but still crashes for no reason sometimes.
I have a couple Linux boxes here that have also run smoothly for months, althought I confess they do not get a lot of use.

However, I also have a hosted PC at a data center that has been running Windows Server 2003 for over 3 years without a crash or reboot (except for planned maintenance or a test version of an app that went *bang* ). The 2003 server in my home office was running for longer, til I recently took it down to rebuild it.

I do know some 2003 servers had a lot of application crashes, but those were due to MS security updates that broke the apps -- which deserved to be broken due to design flaws (yes, one of them was even mine -- fixed it in an hour or two after the embarassment and my own ranting subsided ).
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Thats it...I've had enough with vista.


All the complaints about vista has got me considering changing OS's altogether.. perhaps to Ubuntu... I mean, if I've got to go through "growing pains" and use my brain to change technologies.. why not go with something that's efficient and stable?
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If Ubuntu will handle everything you need, then by all means. I've used several of the Linux distributions, and Ubuntu is quite popular.

For me, it's not so simple. Writing software for Windows is much easier if you are already experienced at that OS platform, and -- more significantly -- much easier to earn a living at. MSFT was kind enough to teach everyone that not everything is 'free'

I'll probably get Ubuntu back up and running here again myself.
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First, not a fan of Vista at all. But word of caution, don't do as I did and blame EVERYTHING on Vista. I have had crashes and lock ups and wireless problems and have been cursing Vista for the past year through two reformat and reinstalls. After a lot of research I found that Zone Alarm, a firewall I have been using for years with no issues, has lots of problems with Vista. I unistalled it and put on Comodo in its place and have had no problems since.
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Comodo has an excellent firewall -- I use it on a hosted server that runs websites, email, etc. Can't remember what was used before but the system got hijacked. Comodo has kept it secure since (and it's free to boot).

But be aware: if you use Comodo on a system that you access remotely or monitor infrequently (like a server), *do not* set Windows to auto-install updates! Often it triggers a reboot, and Comodo has a tendency, if the settings are strict enough, to interrupt program loads to ask permission first. Some apps may be stuck there until you notice (hopefully sooner than later) that they are not running. Manually starting the update process allows you to monitor the reboot and startup.

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