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Old 03-16-2009, 02:54 PM   #31
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Thats it...I've had enough with vista.


Vista itself is a great OS. The problem with vista is that the hardware it's put on can't run it well, hence the vista crashing. Vista is exactly what the masses wanted. It's a more user friendly and safe version of windows. Now people dislike it because of the UAC. People need to make up their mind. Vista is a huge resource hog. I've got Vista basic on my laptop, XP on my netbook, and deal with a few other OS's at work. Vista basic with the UAC turned off and the graphics down i'm running 600mb or so at idle for RAM. I've got 1.5GB of ram in this machine. Now my netbook with XP runs like 200mb at idle with 1gb in it.

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Old 03-16-2009, 03:02 PM   #32
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Crashing is not really my problem, and I shouldn't have any, I have 4 gb ram in this rig, it should handle vista and a game well, and it does. I just don't like some of the changes they made, like the removal of audio from the kernel, etc.
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Old 03-16-2009, 03:07 PM   #33
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Crashing is not really my problem, and I shouldn't have any, I have 4 gb ram in this rig, it should handle vista and a game well, and it does. I just don't like some of the changes they made, like the removal of audio from the kernel, etc.
Did you get in on the Windows 7 beta a couple months ago? Windows 7 is pretty cool. I've been testing it for a little bit now. I like how they took some crap out but i'm still unhappy they are going to release 3 or 4 different versions. I would rather have 1 version for all.
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Old 03-16-2009, 03:09 PM   #34
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Did you get in on the Windows 7 beta a couple months ago? Windows 7 is pretty cool. I've been testing it for a little bit now. I like how they took some crap out but i'm still unhappy they are going to release 3 or 4 different versions. I would rather have 1 version for all.

Yeah, I have the isos and keys, I just haven't gotten around to installing it. I don't feel like messing around with my multi boot and hdds.
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Old 03-16-2009, 03:13 PM   #35
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Yeah, I have the isos and keys, I just haven't gotten around to installing it. I don't feel like messing around with my multi boot and hdds.
I can hear you on the dual boots and multiple HDD's. I put it on a spare HDD for my laptop. I've got a 320 dual booted with ubuntu and vista. I'd say give it a shot on a spare HDD. It's pretty good.
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Old 03-16-2009, 03:20 PM   #36
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I can hear you on the dual boots and multiple HDD's. I put it on a spare HDD for my laptop. I've got a 320 dual booted with ubuntu and vista. I'd say give it a shot on a spare HDD. It's pretty good.

I have a 40gb ubuntu drive, a 300gb vista/xp drive (I'm filling it up fast though) and a 500gb storage drive. I am going to have a 120 gb free to use, but thats going in my xbox pc case mod in the off topic forums.
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Old 04-23-2009, 07:31 PM   #37
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Vista itself is a great OS. The problem with vista is that the hardware it's put on can't run it well, hence the vista crashing. Vista is exactly what the masses wanted. It's a more user friendly and safe version of windows. Now people dislike it because of the UAC. People need to make up their mind. Vista is a huge resource hog. I've got Vista basic on my laptop, XP on my netbook, and deal with a few other OS's at work. Vista basic with the UAC turned off and the graphics down i'm running 600mb or so at idle for RAM. I've got 1.5GB of ram in this machine. Now my netbook with XP runs like 200mb at idle with 1gb in it.
Vista makes perfectly good hardware useless. It was a slopped together attempt at holding their market share and they f'd up. Too little for too long, and definitely too late. They'll be lucky if Windows 7 takes off.

Anyone looking for a stable computer that just works should definitely consider making the move to a Macintosh these days. Yes the hardware is expensive BUT that's because they took the time to engineer a product near perfection. The operating system is based off of a solid UNIX kernel making operating and performance tasks, as well as your general computing experience impeccable. The OS has no license key or "Authentication" nags, and is REASONABLY priced. Products like VMWare Fusion are available to virtually run a Windows session if you require access to certain legacy Windows applications that have not yet been ported to Mac OS X. On top of that, their warranty is excellent. If an acknowledged hardware issue occurs after your warranty is expired, most of the time they'll still fix the problem.

I know what I'm talking about, I've been in this gig going on 17 years and have watched much change. I've dealt with Microsoft's unstableness for far too long. They're another big corporation that only have one interest in mind - $.

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Old 04-23-2009, 07:41 PM   #38
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I'll go back to XP before I go to their next piece of junk

Security is NOT asking someone who DOESN'T KNOW if something is safe to continue to hit "YES"
That's hogwash
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Old 04-23-2009, 10:45 PM   #39
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I'll go back to XP before I go to their next piece of junk

Security is NOT asking someone who DOESN'T KNOW if something is safe to continue to hit "YES"
That's hogwash
Completely agree. Stick with XP. Many large corporations have chosen this path as well and are waiting to see what Windows 7 may have to offer.
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Old 04-27-2009, 02:31 PM   #40
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Thats it...I've had enough with vista.


I agree on sticking w/ XP, however, when buying a new computer, they come with Vista. Some of the hardware has 'Vista only' drivers (no XP), so before you downgrade (?UPGRADE?) from Vista to XP, be sure you can get drivers for all your innards.

BTW, does anyone else feel that an OS is there only so I CAN RUN THE PROGRAMS I WANT? (which, would certainly NOT include M$ if most programs weren't written for it, thus forcing the issue) Thanks... I feel better now!
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Old 04-27-2009, 03:03 PM   #41
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Id stick with xp. I use vista a lot though, I game a lot.

I hate having to live without eax and surround but now that I've forced vista to try to use xp drivers, I can use eax, etc.
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Old 04-29-2009, 11:48 AM   #42
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Security is NOT asking someone who DOESN'T KNOW if something is safe to continue to hit "YES"
That's hogwash
I do have some concerns with vista security in general. That said, asking the user if they want to allow a program to continue is more secure than just assuming that it's safe and blindly executing whatever comes along. As for whether the person knows what they're doing or not, educating yourself about this is a personal responsibility. At some point people will be expected to understand a few basics about computer security in much the same way that people are expected to know how to change a light bulb or reset a circuit breaker these days. It's time to stop excusing willful ignorance about what is rapidly becoming a necessary tool.
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Old 04-29-2009, 02:26 PM   #43
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I'm the IT Admin for a mid sized company, and as with a lot of companies out there Vista is going to be passed on. There are too many incompatibilities with legacy software and unnecessary bells and whistles for a corporate environment. Plus don't even get me started on the cost of upgrading the licensing on all the MS servers and machines across the board to make it compatible, it's outrageous! If there were an alternative to Outlook/Exchange that I could get my users to accept, I would already be moving the ones I could over to a linux based desktop. Maybe one day we'll get there.
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I do have some concerns with vista security in general. That said, asking the user if they want to allow a program to continue is more secure than just assuming that it's safe and blindly executing whatever comes along. As for whether the person knows what they're doing or not, educating yourself about this is a personal responsibility. At some point people will be expected to understand a few basics about computer security in much the same way that people are expected to know how to change a light bulb or reset a circuit breaker these days. It's time to stop excusing willful ignorance about what is rapidly becoming a necessary tool.
Wrong, people get sick of it & just click YES

It's not more secure

Try telling a doctor or lawyer that they need to know more about their PC

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I had a user having a problem - error message came up
She simply bypassed the error message EVERY DAY
I said I needed to see the error message
She booted up & bypassed the error 3X before she realized she was doing it
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Wrong, people get sick of it & just click YES

It's not more secure

Try telling a doctor or lawyer that they need to know more about their PC

**Obligatory Princess Bride quote**
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

If people just blindly click through warnings, that's not really a security problem, since the warnings are being provided. What it does indicate is poor user interface design, since proper ui design accounts for the human factor, by filtering out the less necessary warnings so that the important ones don't get lost in the confusion. (Apparently Windows 7 does this a lot better than Vista).

The other point I was trying to make (that seemed to get lost in a rant somewhere along the way) was that at some point in the future, we will expect that the average person has a minimal knowledge of how to make decisions that affect the security of their computer. There's no harm in starting to work towards that now.

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