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Old 02-19-2009, 04:34 PM   #16
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Thats it...I've had enough with vista.


Well I did find a "partial" fix for my x-fi. I forced vista to run unsigned, xp 64 wdm drivers. Seems to have messed up volume control, but not my card's software.

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longhorn was crap....but it was still better than vista....

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Old 02-20-2009, 12:24 AM   #18
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Vista is an a product that should have been aborted
Ok, so you would encourage a company to spend years of development and resources and just give up?

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MS has long used its users as Beta testers
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Windows 7.0 should be handed out for free to anyone who has Vista
Instead they will screw the consumer again
By "screw the consumer again" you mean put a price on a product you feel should be given away for free --no matter how many millions of dollars were put into it's development?

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UAC is the biggest piece of junk ever
It asks ALL the time to confirm things. There are always updates & other things that are installed. And it gets to the point where people simply click YES YES YES, which makes the very product pointless & worthless
I'll agree with you there! Vista was the first OS from MS that took security into account in a major way. I'd say they pendulum swung too far in the other extreme and wound up mostly just annoying people that use it but I still contend that it's a necessary feature (that's been paired down quite a bit in Windows 7) that most Windows users need to realize.

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The fact that MS continues to escalate the resources needed to upgrade to an OS is just shooting themselves in the foot. Many business simply will not upgrade to Vista for this very fact. 3,000 PC at our site & NONE were upgraded - Vista was effectively BANNED - no support
MS has escalated the resources with EVERY single OS release since their beginning (and so has Apple). That this is upsetting has to come across as strange if you've been around the Windows world for more than the last 8 years. As it has always been, a new OS should go with a new PC --and almost never as an upgrade to an existing system (especially in a business environment). Businesses aren't adopting Vista for a number of reasons but hogging system resources is not one of them. Driver support has been a major one --which is not MS's fault since the Beta's of Vista have been around for 2 years prior to it's full release. I experienced this myself in our own company as we had a Vista machine sit in it's box for a year waiting for Canon to release a Vista driver for our corporate equipment (which they finally did). That's Canon's fault and not MS's. Beyond that, there are no truly compelling reasons for large businesses to "upgrade" as there are no compelling features in Vista that are considered essential to improving their IT systems --especially since XP is just as secure when you can control and maintain the security with a well-trained IT support staff. Believe me, when you can no longer buy PC's with XP on them, you can be sure large businesses will start buying Vista boxes (or Windows 7 for that matter)...

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The more I use Vista the MORE I Want XP back

I bought a Quad core with plenty of memory & HD space
Vista sucks, plain & simple
Ok, tell me why --because I have quite the opposite reaction to using Vista. Is the UAC just too annoying to deal with? You can always turn it off (as was suggested in an issue of MaximumPC recently --although I don't agree with them for "common users"). Is it high-end sound card drivers?
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Old 02-20-2009, 12:26 AM   #19
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longhorn was crap....but it was still better than vista....

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Now that is very true! There were tons of features in Longhorn that just never made it to Vista and it's a real shame. A new file system was first on my short list of features I was really looking forward to but oh well. Development just got too long and they had to release something soon...
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Old 02-20-2009, 07:34 AM   #20
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Thats it...I've had enough with vista.


Ok, so you would encourage a company to spend years of development and resources and just give up?

Rather then release a piece of junk, YES

And this is wrong?

YES Would you like other Mfgs to test their product on the public? How about drugs to see if they are safe, cars - hey lets try some new brakes

By "screw the consumer again" you mean put a price on a product you feel should be given away for free --no matter how many millions of dollars were put into it's development?

I don't care how much money they wasted developing a piece of junk - that's THEIR problem. Screw the consumer again - charge them again after releasing a defective software product. Cars are recalled with defects, software should have the same control.

I'll agree with you there! Vista was the first OS from MS that took security into account in a major way. I'd say they pendulum swung too far in the other extreme and wound up mostly just annoying people that use it but I still contend that it's a necessary feature (that's been paired down quite a bit in Windows 7) that most Windows users need to realize.



MS has escalated the resources with EVERY single OS release since their beginning

Escalating the resources needed without good reason is garbage

Ok, tell me why --because I have quite the opposite reaction to using Vista. Is the UAC just too annoying to deal with? You can always turn it off (as was suggested in an issue of MaximumPC recently --although I don't agree with them for "common users"). Is it high-end sound card drivers?[/quote]

By the time I've turned everything off I'm right back at basically an XP system. IE STILL doesn't work without crashing after a few hours. A flawed OS is a flawed OS, consumers shouldn't have to put up with the junk.

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Old 02-20-2009, 07:40 AM   #21
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Thats it...I've had enough with vista.


I really hate there vista commercials.

Lying to the customer and saying they get to try the new mojave OS. Then humiliating the customer on television by showing how ignorant they are. That doesn't seem like a good way to advertise.
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Old 02-20-2009, 02:38 PM   #22
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YES Would you like other Mfgs to test their product on the public? How about drugs to see if they are safe, cars - hey lets try some new brakes
That's why it's called "beta". MS and many other software developers have been doing it for decades --and with our full knowledge. I'd rather they get the customer's input from the beginning rather than just guess with "product focus groups" like other large manufacturers do. I see no harm in testing products on the public --so long as they're aware. Drugs ARE tested on the public BTW.[/quote]

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I don't care how much money they wasted developing a piece of junk - that's THEIR problem. Screw the consumer again - charge them again after releasing a defective software product. Cars are recalled with defects, software should have the same control.
The auto industry is a perfect example here. They come out with a new model every year. Why? To charge the customer again. The add fins, a different paint job, GPS nav, and expect you to pay even more. This is because a large (and publicly traded) company is expected to continually increase their revenue. If they just come up with one product and then sit back and cash checks, they will eventually die (and their shareholders will quickly revolt). For that reason, companies try to get their customers to buy as often as possible. It's up to you to decide if you'll be a lemming or if what they're offering is worth your $$. It also forces the large company to continually innovate and improve their product or we'll go elsewhere. In this case, Apple and Linux flavors are slowly building momentum so it's all good for us. But to be upset about a company trying to get as much money out of us as possible seems funny to me. --And as far as actual "defects" go, I've yet to see one. The vast majority of problems I've encountered supporting Vista desktops (as well as my collegues) have all been related to 3rd-party drivers and software not beeing fully tested and developed for Vista before it's release. Companies were hoping to save a few bucks on their end and avoid having to port their legacy hardware drivers over to Vista by getting us all to simply buy their new hardware products. That didn't happen and most of these companies had to scramble to put together Vista drivers in a short period (usually with a whole host of problems). MS got the blame for it though...

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By the time I've turned everything off I'm right back at basically an XP system. IE STILL doesn't work without crashing after a few hours. A flawed OS is a flawed OS, consumers shouldn't have to put up with the junk.
Ok, so you're turning off UAC and your IE keeps crashing. What else are you turning off? Considering the fact that I've supported literally hundreads of Vista installations without a persistant IE crashing situation, I'm starting to think you may have a specific problem with your system and an anecdotal evaluation of this product. To consider it an inherently flawed OS that should have been recalled or never released is a stretch to me.

From a brief search, it looks like most of the IE-Vista crashes are Adobe Flash plug-in related anyways. Can you be more specific on the type of crashes you're having? Is it when closing IE or just when using it to browse?
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Old 02-20-2009, 02:53 PM   #23
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Thats it...I've had enough with vista.


Uh, NO they release the final version that is still GARBAGE
Then they fix things that screw up peoples PC's
THAT IS NOT BETA - Duh!!

I don't need to buy a new car to put new tires on it
Last time I checked a car doesn't use more gas & oil every year to get you to the same place

Some can't afford to replace PC's every 3 years
AND THERE ISN'T A GOOD REASON TO DO SO
They stop supporting old OS & force people to upgrade
That isn't innovation
I haven't seen a SINGLE thing in Vista that "innovative" or necessary

IE has crashed since I received the PC as installed by Microsloth
It lasts maybe 4-6 hours & that's it
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Old 03-03-2009, 05:11 PM   #24
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Thats it...I've had enough with vista.


I honestly have no issues with vista. Yeah it built for a pc that can handle it. I think that's the issue. Te mistake was selling PCs that weren't made for a monster like Vista and so it got a bad rap. That and the drivers issues it started with. But like I said, I've never heard a burp out of mine.

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I honestly have no issues with vista. Yeah it built for a pc that can handle it. I think that's the issue. Te mistake was selling PCs that weren't made for a monster like Vista and so it got a bad rap. That and the drivers issues it started with. But like I said, I've never heard a burp out of mine.


I do think it is because pcs cannot handle it properly.

My issue is the sound, but I've resolved most of the issue. Just can't get 5.1 sound
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Old 03-04-2009, 01:49 PM   #26
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Thats it...I've had enough with vista.


I think the biggest problem with Vista was perception. MS sold a lot of people on the fact that they'd get it perfect right out of the gate. They've never been able to do that before, and so the mantra (at least for corporate users) has always been 'wait till service pack 1'. True to form, there were sizable issues with the initial RTM product (things like file copying) and they were fixed (or at least improved) with service pack 1. There were also a number of problems due to poor/nonexistent drivers that have been fixed by the hardware manufacturers only in the last year or so.

It's true that we shouldn't have to wait for the service pack to come out before we get a properly working OS, but that's the way it seems to be for MS. People just need to learn to wait for a little while when a new OS comes out, so that the bugs can be worked out. We do the same things for cars when we avoid buying them for the first model year of a new vehicle line.
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Old 03-09-2009, 06:38 AM   #27
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Thats it...I've had enough with vista.


Why do they keep doing this to us?? It's not like we have a lot of OS to choose from. Win 98 was an improvement over 3.0, 98SE more better, 2000,NT were crap, XP has been the best for a while, now Vista, which won't run my old stuff. I still have a couple of old DOS based CADD programs that I love.

Try XYZ, it is the best thing since ***, and it turns out they may still have a few bugs in it. It goes off into left field and never returns, gobbles memory, etc. Why not just fix/improve what works. I am happy with my XP Pro..........more or less.
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Why do they keep doing this to us?? It's not like we have a lot of OS to choose from. Win 98 was an improvement over 3.0, 98SE more better, 2000,NT were crap, XP has been the best for a while, now Vista, which won't run my old stuff. I still have a couple of old DOS based CADD programs that I love.

Try XYZ, it is the best thing since ***, and it turns out they may still have a few bugs in it. It goes off into left field and never returns, gobbles memory, etc. Why not just fix/improve what works. I am happy with my XP Pro..........more or less.

Since most of my programs work on xp, I am finding myself using it more. Vista did a lot of stuff for me...but I keep finding my way back to xp.

I do have a dual boot...so its not like I'm stuck with one os at a time.
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Thats it...I've had enough with vista.


I picked up Vista shortly after it was released. I HATED it. I disabled UAC and auto updates. That helped a little. I now periodically update when >I< feel like it (instead of every other time I turned on the computer). Now that I've had it for a while, I find it to be somewhat more stable then XP (except where Explorer is concerned). Windows Media Center is kinda nifty (especially for playing DVDs). Anyway, my primary system multi boots either Vista, XP Pro, or Ubuntu (Linux). I tend to use Vista mostly these days. I slowly trying to transition into Linux more and more though. I recently started using Vector Linux (on a server I'm building). What a really great OS THAT is! The biggest drawback for Linux is a lack of high end Video support (and I imagine audio as well). But it's slowly catching up. One day soon perhaps it will be peoples first choice and be widely supported.
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I picked up Vista shortly after it was released. I HATED it. I disabled UAC and auto updates. That helped a little. I now periodically update when >I< feel like it (instead of every other time I turned on the computer). Now that I've had it for a while, I find it to be somewhat more stable then XP (except where Explorer is concerned). Windows Media Center is kinda nifty (especially for playing DVDs). Anyway, my primary system multi boots either Vista, XP Pro, or Ubuntu (Linux). I tend to use Vista mostly these days. I slowly trying to transition into Linux more and more though. I recently started using Vector Linux (on a server I'm building). What a really great OS THAT is! The biggest drawback for Linux is a lack of high end Video support (and I imagine audio as well). But it's slowly catching up. One day soon perhaps it will be peoples first choice and be widely supported.

I tried linux (ubuntu) and it was great! very stable os. High end video and audio isn't that good for it.

We have the same multi boot config...nice isn't it?

I use foobar2000 for my audio playback.

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