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Old 01-22-2011, 12:18 PM   #46
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Old 01-23-2011, 11:02 AM   #47
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Okay now, if you kids can quit bickering long enough I'm going to tell you what we did.


She got the MacBook Pro for $1199. There were several features that we thought we well worth the extra $200.


She's very happy. I only hope that translates into me being very happy, very soon. Ehemmm...
I'm done arguing since neither one of us see the point the other is trying to make. And neither of us seem to be willing to explore the possibility that the other is correct on some level. We both put up examples to prove the point and I'm done with fruitless conversations. We'll have to agree to disagree.

Is everything were the same as some would like us to believe we'd all own Harbor Freight tools, drive the cheapest Kia we could buy. After all, they are all cars and tools right?

The important thing is that you and your wife are happy with your purchase. That's all that counts in the end. Enjoy!
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Old 01-23-2011, 11:19 AM   #48
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you mean I got the wrong tools and car oh crap
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There isn't much different between Mac hardware and pc, they are all made from same components by the same Chinese companies near Shenzhen. Industrial design is the only differentiator.

I do agree that apple puts less crapware on their computers out of the box. This is a drawback for the PC buyers (not really Microsoft fault but computer manufacturer faault), especially those not savvy enough to reformat and reinstall a clean copy of windows. That is the first ting I usually do.

I use Linux, windows, and OSx. I am ome of the few people who think that the apple ui may be cute but needlessly restrictive. I cannot use an apple for more than five minutes without opening a command line and just typing in commands.

But then again I do the same thing on windows.
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I love my mac. I too got sick of the PC crashing constantly. I haven't encountered that yet with my mac. They are considerably more expensive, but if you work with pictures, movies, music or games, they are definitely the way to go.
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Its all about preference.
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I love my mac. I too got sick of the PC crashing constantly. I haven't encountered that yet with my mac. They are considerably more expensive, but if you work with pictures, movies, music or games, they are definitely the way to go.

Games? That's one of the main reasons I will never buy a mac, I've never heard of any company making a game for it.

I think the whole pictures and video editing thing used to be true in the past, but that's now leftover marketing hype from long long ago. Both system use the same software these days and Win7 typically runs faster on 64-bit hardware than the Mac OS.

That's great that you are experiencing less crashing though!
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Old 04-12-2011, 01:33 PM   #53
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Games? That's one of the main reasons I will never buy a mac, I've never heard of any company making a game for it.
Are you kidding me? Seriously? Steam has a Mac version of their games engine and it powers quite a few games:
http://store.steampowered.com/browse/mac
Call of Duty is available for the Mac.

There are tons of games for the Mac.

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I think the whole pictures and video editing thing used to be true in the past, but that's now leftover marketing hype from long long ago. Both system use the same software these days and Win7 typically runs faster on 64-bit hardware than the Mac OS.
Doubtful on the running thing. The Mac OS is quite a bit more capable than Windows 7... And the iLife suite is much better than the stuff that comes with Win 7.

And, here's an interesting story about hardware (in short, it's not all the same):

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/government...ew-story/10263
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/perlow/ace...-support/16746

In short, it may say Intel inside or whatever but there are huge levels of quality in the components. IOW you get what you pay for.
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There are tons of games for the Mac.
I'm not saying there *aren't* any Mac games, but you have to admit the selection is a LOT thinner than the PC. It's great that companies like Valve are porting their services to Mac, but that's just thing, they always seem to start on PC and might get ported to Mac but that isn't a guarantee. Why not get a machine that is pretty much guaranteed to play every big title? I have nothing against Mac's, but when 90% of the market is Windows based it's pretty obvious who game developers are going to cater towards. It's got nothing to do with one being better than the other, it's a simple fact of where money can be made.

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Doubtful on the running thing. The Mac OS is quite a bit more capable than Windows 7... And the iLife suite is much better than the stuff that comes with Win 7.
"Capable" is a pretty vague word, could you elaborate? Here are some fairly recent gaming benchmarks, if macworld says Win7 puts out higher frame rates then there is nothing to be doubtful of.

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...ws_part3&num=5
http://www.macworld.com/article/1551..._graphics.html

And iLife looks useful, but I'll stick to my Adobe products.

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And, here's an interesting story about hardware (in short, it's not all the same):
I never claimed it was the same, but an article about ****ty Acer monitors isn't exactly a strong case against Windows. I could just as easily plug it into a Mac, but that doesn't make OS X a bad choice when it goes out does it? Of course not!

Maybe the higher price is partly due to higher quality components, but I think a lot of it has to do with market branding as well. People will pay a premium to not be "mainstream", but that doesn't make it better in a measurable way.
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I'm not saying there *aren't* any Mac games, but you have to admit the selection is a LOT thinner than the PC. It's great that companies like Valve are porting their services to Mac, but that's just thing, they always seem to start on PC and might get ported to Mac but that isn't a guarantee. Why not get a machine that is pretty much guaranteed to play every big title? I have nothing against Mac's, but when 90% of the market is Windows based it's pretty obvious who game developers are going to cater towards. It's got nothing to do with one being better than the other, it's a simple fact of where money can be made.
Sure the selection is thinner than Windows but there are games from big name studios. And there are games from smaller studios too. I'm sure there are enough games to keep people happy. I don't game on my computer and prefer to do so on the big screen so it doesn't matter to me either way.

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"Capable" is a pretty vague word, could you elaborate? Here are some fairly recent gaming benchmarks, if macworld says Win7 puts out higher frame rates then there is nothing to be doubtful of.
That is only for games. It's pretty well known that DirectX is a great gaming platform. It had better be - MS has been playing with it for what, 10-12 years now. OpenGL is a more flexible platform (Win, OSX and Linux) but is a little slower.

The rest of the systems are close in performance.

OS X has the advantage in:
Rock solid operation (sleep/wake on my Macbook for 30+ days)
Native PDF Creation from every app (great for sharing files)
Better memory management (although win 7 steps up to the plate)
Easier on the eyes (the windows with it's glass-like effects is hard on the eyes)
Integration
Integrated automatic backup
Ease of administration (no registry, just plain config files)
Security (still more secure than Windows)


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And iLife looks useful, but I'll stick to my Adobe products.
I love my Photoshop but iLife is great for the home user. Aperture is also great for those of us that want more. As is Lightroom.

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Maybe the higher price is partly due to higher quality components, but I think a lot of it has to do with market branding as well. People will pay a premium to not be "mainstream", but that doesn't make it better in a measurable way.
The fact of the matter is if you spec out a similar HP, Lenovo, Dell, or Sony you pay just about as much for a Mac. Last time I looked it was only a $100 or so difference. Apple doesn't play in the bottom feeder market and probably never will. There is a quality difference between all the lines a manufacturer offers. Apple chooses to not compete in the cheap junk pile and that's a good thing. You know when you buy an Apple you will get a decent quality machine at a decent price.
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*shrug* Like I said, for gamers there are no compelling reasons to buy a Mac over a PC.

I agree that Windows is seriously lacking good content organization software.

I do have to question the validity of your last paragraph though.
http://files.macbidouille.com/mbv2/n...eliability.png

Apply doesn't make junk, but they are still just average and nothing special when it comes to reliability.

I also found this by another gentleman who speced out a MBP and a Dell XPS about a week ago -

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Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English
2nd generation Intel® Core™ i7-2720QM processor 2.20 GHz with Turbo Boost 2.0 up to 3.30 GHz (Vs. Intel core i7 2.0 GHz, etc. in basic MBP 15")
NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 525M 1GB graphics with Optimus (Vs. AMD 256 MB)
4GB Shared Dual Channel DDR3 Memory (same)
500GB 7200 RPM SATA Hard Drive (Vs. 500 Gb 5400 rpm)
1 Year Basic Service Plan (same)
15.6 FHD B+RGLED TL (1920x1080) and Skype-Certified 2.0MP HD Webcam (Vs. 1440-900)
8X Tray Load CD/DVD Burner (Dual Layer DVD+/-R Drive) (same)
Intel® Centrino® Wireless-N 1030 & Bluetooth 3.0 (vs. Bluetooth 2.1 EDR)
92 WHr 9-cell Lithium Ion Primary Battery (same 9 cell, duration not specified)
Backlit Keyboard - English (same)
JBL 2.1 Speakers with Waves Maxx Audio 3 (probably similar)
DataSafe 2.0 Online Backup 2GB for 1 year (vs. nothing in MBP)
Integrated 10/100/1000 Network Card (similar if not same)

The price tag on the DELL computer is $1329. The price tag in the basic MBP is $1799. We are talking of $470 difference. You don't have aluminum casing and multitouch trackpad, but you have a similar or better processor, a way better GPU and a way better screen with full HD resolution. Just for the most prominent specs. By adding a 7200 rpm HDD and a HD screen to the MBP (GPU cannot be customized in entry level MBP), the difference raises up to $670. I don't think that aluminum casing and multitouch track pad are worth almost $700 (actually they are not because the difference between the plastic MB and the much powerful 13" aluminum MBP is not even that).
That's quite a bit more than $100 difference and for inferior hardware. If you've had a different experience I'd like to know what your comparing it against.
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I think it's important to point out that there are HD screens and there are HD screens. The quality of displays on Apple laptops is heads and shoulders above what you see from any PC manufacturer aside from their luxury offerings. And that is true for other components as well. True, many of their componnts are equivalent...or in fact are the identical hardware, but not all of them. So you can't really compare specs that way.

I work with both PCs and Macs and have for the last 27 years. They both have their pros and cons, their strengths and weaknesses. When you pay more for a Mac you are not only paying for the hardware but you are paying for the design, the ergonomics, the support, and the OS. The whole is greater than the sum of the parts and trying to compare spec sheets side by side is a generally pointless exercise.

I have a PC desktop in my office that I built from the ground up. Boots to the desktop in seconds, has two video cards, 10 gigs of ram and five hardrives. I adore it. But my wife and two daughters all have Macbooks, and there is no way in hell I would have it any other way. It keeps me from being the technical helpdesk in my own home.

The right tool for the right job applies to computers as much as to everything else.
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I do agree that apple puts less crapware on their computers out of the box. This is a drawback for the PC buyers (not really Microsoft fault but computer manufacturer faault), especially those not savvy enough to reformat and reinstall a clean copy of windows. That is the first ting I usually do.
How do you reformat and reinstall a clean copy of windows? Is this difficult? Where would one find instructions to do this?
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http://www.tweakguides.com

Look at the free version of the tweaking companion for your version of Windows. It covers just about anything you want to know, including fresh installation.
You can also opt to just cleanup all the junk that comes on a store bought PC with tools like PC Decrapifier, but it can be a chore figuring out what needs to stay and what can go.
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Ok. I have to weigh in on this. My wife just received a brand new macbook air last week from her work. I played with it and yes, it is beautiful, yes, it is light, yes it is silent and yes, it ran great when browsing the web or reading emails. However, today she tried to make a power point project with it and when she went to change the size of a graph on one of the slides it froze up on her. FROZE UP. I thought this was a near impossibility of Macs! She had a macbook about 6 years ago and it had more problems than the Dell that I owned at the time. When I played around with the macbook air I thought, okay, maybe they have gotten better. NOT. This is the second macbook we have owned. I just don't get the koolaid the ifans drink. I really really don't. The GUI is great. The hardware design is beautiful. But more reliable? no. Easier to use. no. big learning curve if you are coming from PC. Really expensive for what you get. YES...

Maybe I am just unlucky. But then I think of my brother who works in an Apple store and is a huge fanboy. He has had a $6,000 tricked out 17" MBP for a few years. One second he is tell you of the awesomeness of Mac, the next he is listing all the problems he has had with his MBP. Bad screen. Bad HDD. Faulty video hardware. Those are the three I can remember. Maybe that premium price is to cover the inevitable expense of the "free" repairs. I dunno. I don't get the koolaid...

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