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Old 05-05-2010, 11:43 AM   #16
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Hehe, I love both of them. I use PC for my developing work, and Mac for my designing work, or entertainment ^^

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Does the iPad count as a Mac extension? I'm thinking with a MiFi it will be a real game changer by the end of the year if you've got good 3g Coverage. It will replace cel phones and be your GPS, and everything...
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I've had a desktop Mac for a few years and in my experience it's been great. I've had absolutely no problems or issues of any kind and the display is really nice compared to what I've seen of most PCs. My folks have had PCs for years and it seems like the problems are never ending. I'm no Apple fanboy but in my opinion Mac is the way to go.

OT but related...this very issue makes me want an iPhone over an Android based smartphone. They just seem to be super smooth and problem free.

edit, I also have Microsoft Office for Mac and it's worked without problem. In years past that was a major stumbling block as the business world runs on Word, Excel, etc.

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Best thing I ever did was ditch Windows in 2002 for an iMac. I've never regretted it or looked back. Windows junk puts food on my table but I'd never use or recommend it.

They are not overpriced for what you get as they don't compete on the $300 low end junk that you see advertised every week. They compare more to the "business class" lines from HP, Lenovo, Dell, etc. When you get to those lines the Mac is very price competitive.

What I love is that I don't have to worry about constant care and feeding. I move my mouse, the computer instantly wakes from sleep. I close the lid on my Macbook and the machine sleeps. I open it and within a few seconds it's ready to go. I reboot about every month when updates are there. I don't really worry about malware, the machine takes a beating with running Virtual machines, photo editing software, etc.

It's that reliability that is worth it 100% to me. Contrast that to the POS Dell I have from work that won't sleep/resume right, is built worse than a Harbor Freight tool, and just generally a junk machine. At least the HP I had before that was built good. But it still didn't work as well as the Mac WRT usability.

It's also the little things that make the Mac OS better to use and easier on the eyes. Virtual desktops, while available in Linux for years are a joy to use in OS X. Expose and Dashboard is light years ahead of Gadgets and Aero on Windows. And whoever designed Win 7 needs to be shot - the eye candy is cool but it is hard on the eyes and very distracting. Transparency is cool but really needs to be toned down when there is text to be read (title of the window). It's the little things Microsoft still doesn't get right after all these years.

That being said Apple is not infalable - I gave up my iPhone 3G and really dig my Droid X. It can do so much more than the iPhone and is quite a bit more customizable.
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So now that I've read this discussion - even with all its fantastic information - I'm just as confused as when I started. Most of your discussions are over my head.

Here's my deal...

My wife wants a new laptop. Her IBM has crashed several times in the past couple months - and I mean completely crashed - due to malware, viruses, etc. And this is despite having what a techie said is THE best anti-virus software.

My Sony, on the other hand, has not had any problems. I run McAfee through our service provider.


Our kids all 3 have Macs, and swear by them. They think my wife & I are knobs for not having Macs ourselves. My wife is leaning toward wanting a Mac.


So... Would you recommend me wifey get a Mac for internet surfing, music, photos & editing, possibly some video editing and such? Is it worth the money?
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I would say yes - the Macs are worth every penny. I'd pick her up a 13" Macbook (the white one) - for $999 or so it is a great computer. They come with all your wife will need to manage videos, photos, music, etc. It will have no problems with photo or video editing and will last you a good long time. My wife has one of the first Intel Macbooks from 2006 or so and it's still going strong.

Apple doesn't compete in the low end space so that's why they seem expensive. But they are solid machines in the middle to upper price ranges. (Yes, PC's compete there too).

As far as AV software, every PC tech has their favorites: some love Norton, some love McAfee, some love AVG, etc. All of them have their faults and many let lots of malware through. At this time, there is no real malware for the Mac. What you do have is things you have to actively install.

The good advice on all platforms is: Stay away from **** sites and pirated software.

Good luck and enjoy the Mac!
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Thanks ITGuy! I appreciate the professional advice!

I wonder if one of the problems in the Mac vs PC debate is that too many people are comparing $479 Dells to the $999 MacBook. It makes sense that that would NOT be a fair comparison.


We're actually leaning pretty heavily toward her getting a MacBook, partly because the bottom line is that it's what she wants. And sometimes what a woman wants pretty much seals the deal.


Thanks again!
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Thanks ITGuy! I appreciate the professional advice!

I wonder if one of the problems in the Mac vs PC debate is that too many people are comparing $479 Dells to the $999 MacBook. It makes sense that that would NOT be a fair comparison.


We're actually leaning pretty heavily toward her getting a MacBook, partly because the bottom line is that it's what she wants. And sometimes what a woman wants pretty much seals the deal.


Thanks again!
Let us know what she thinks about it once she gets it.
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That being said Apple is not infalable - I gave up my iPhone 3G and really dig my Droid X. It can do so much more than the iPhone and is quite a bit more customizable.
Interesting. I'm looking forward to test driving the new Droid alongside the new iPhone on Verizon. I currently have an original Droid and wondering which direction to go when I'm able to upgrade.
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For the $1000 price of a 13" Macbook, you can buy a new PC notebook, throw it away if/when you have a problem, and buy another new PC notebook and still be money ahead. For the small size of the Macbook, you could buy 3+ netbooks. My <$200 Acer Aspire One netbook that I bought for portability does an EXCELLENT job at whatever I've asked of it (though you have to be reasonable of your request: internet good, office fine, photos ok, beyond that it's a little underpowered).

Macs are not horrible, and serve their purpose - but they are 60% marketing and 40% computer.


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They are not overpriced for what you get as they don't compete on the $300 low end junk that you see advertised every week. They compare more to the "business class" lines from HP, Lenovo, Dell, etc. When you get to those lines the Mac is very price competitive.
...I'm not one who usually accuses someone of having no idea what they are talking about.

BUT

-Macbooks are manufactured by the same company that makes Acer, Dell, Gateway, and HP computers in South Korea.
-Even then, the cost of a MBP eclipses the cost of an equivalently-specced Lenovo Thinkpad or Dell Latitude. Also note that 'business-grade' Thinkpads have a 3x longer manufacturer warranty than a Macbook.

When you crack one of those glossy suckers open, you'll find all the same rebranded components inside as you would a cheap Dell; Hyinx, Foxconn and so forth. So, I routinely ask people to throw aside the "well my Mac runs great yadda yadda" anecdotal argument: If the manufacturer's warranty is 1 year - as is the case for the MBP and "$300 low end junk" - then it was designed to reliably run for 1 year. Period.



Anyways.

Any IT expert worth their salt looks at a computer as nothing more than hardware on which to run an operating system. So, let's put aside the falsely perceived superiority of Mac hardware, because the 'core' of the Mac vs PC argument is this: When you spend the extra dough on a Mac, you are spending it on one thing and one thing only: The exclusivity of the operating system.

So if you like OSX, buy a Mac. If you've got work to do, buy Windows.

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Well fellas, I think I know which way we're headed...

$500-$750 on a PC Laptop for an unhappy wife

or

$1000 on a MacBook for a very happy wife.


Sorry to all you tech guys. You know computers, but I know my wife. Your opinions are irrelevant!


Seriously though, reading this thread has been very informative for me personally. I thank you!
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For the $1000 price of a 13" Macbook, you can buy a new PC notebook, throw it away if/when you have a problem, and buy another new PC notebook and still be money ahead.
When you factor in the TIME you lost it's a loosing proposition. And then again if you shop the bottom of the barrel you usually get low grade components, slow RAM, low resolution screen, slow HD, etc...

I scored one of the Google CR-49 and it's a neat little machine. Way underpowered and while I like it for surfing the web and it does that great, you can tell it is underpowered. I'd hate to try to edit photos on it, even if it ran native software. And the keyboard is quite cramped.

It's not marketing -the machines are good machines. Same reason I tell people to buy a mid level PC - you will get a better machine.

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...I'm not one who usually accuses someone of having no idea what they are talking about.

BUT

-Macbooks are manufactured by the same company that makes Acer, Dell, Gateway, and HP computers in South Korea.
And the same company that makes Lexus makes Toyota, Honda makes Acura, Mercedes makes Smart cars, etc.

The difference is the quality levels on all brands. You pay more for quality and while the Apple may use the "same parts", there is a difference in quality levels. And not to mention Apple does a lot of their own design.

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-Even then, the cost of a MBP eclipses the cost of an equivalently-specced Lenovo Thinkpad or Dell Latitude. Also note that 'business-grade' Thinkpads have a 3x longer manufacturer warranty than a Macbook.
Except that the Dell Latitude, optioned the same costs: $1,974 (Dell Latitude E6510) vs Apple's $1,999. The Macbook has a higher resolution screen, the Dell a better warranty.

A Lenovo T510 is about $1,809 and comes with a 1 year warranty.

Please note that I did remove the "discounts" as those vary widely and you can get "discounts" on Apple stuff - like Free software, printers, etc.

So I think you need to re-examine the notion Apple hardware is hugely expensive vs the others.

I have a Dell Precision M4500 that I get from work. It's a PILE OF JUNK. Build quality is abysmal, it's huge, runs hot and generally a cheap computer. I believe it costs $1300-1700 from Dell. My previous HP was light years better. And the quality of our Dells is junk as well. 2 guys have had to have theirs replaced vs 0 replacements in 3 years for our HP's.

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When you crack one of those glossy suckers open, you'll find all the same rebranded components inside as you would a cheap Dell; Hyinx, Foxconn and so forth.
Again, I deal with this stuff every day. There are various grades of components that each manufacturer uses. You could use the same argument for the $300 vs $2k PC laptops. After all they are the same parts, right?

Or I could run my company on desktop class hardware with a couple RAID cards. After all, it's the same parts so why deal with server class hardware? I know many companies do but it's not optimal.


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Any IT expert worth their salt looks at a computer as nothing more than hardware on which to run an operating system.
I've been in this business for a LONG time and you have to look at the whole TCO for the whole system and not pick and choose. That includes the whole package. The whole package with the Mac is better and more reliable and will have a lower TCO than a Windows machine.

Linux would have the Lowest TCO but a huge learning curve.

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Well fellas, I think I know which way we're headed...

$500-$750 on a PC Laptop for an unhappy wife

or

$1000 on a MacBook for a very happy wife.


Sorry to all you tech guys. You know computers, but I know my wife. Your opinions are irrelevant!


Seriously though, reading this thread has been very informative for me personally. I thank you!
Keeping the wife happy is priority #1 and if she wants a Mac, get her a Mac. You both will enjoy it and if you need any tips, let me know. One of the neatest things is that sleep mode works 100% of the time. Close the lid, the machine goes to sleep. Open it and it wakes nearly instantly. That makes using it a whole lot better and more productive!

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