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Old 06-09-2014, 10:09 PM   #31
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One of my neighbors, that ended up buying a KEF unit from me, had gone to Best Buy and listened to the various soundbars they had set up to demo (a veritable plethora of major brands).

The one they liked best?

The Sony unit.


After I installed the KEF for them, I got a "Oh my god, this is WAY better than any of those others we listened to!".



FWIW: I didn't call anyone nasty names, and didn't consider are discussion hostile (like they tend to do in the electrical forums), but do have a strong opinion about this business I've been in for SO many years.

Gregzoll,

I think it's funny that you mentioned a company that sells B&W, and Integra, as those are most definitely high end lines. Especially so with Integra being the high end Onkyo product, and B&W most definitely being high end.

Not snubbing, or thumbing my nose, at anyone. Just stating the facts from the side of a professional in the AV industry, as I see them. I prefer to give the customer a product that I know will be reliable and give better than average performance, and that works.

I don't see companies like, Cary Audio, B&W, Atlantic Technology, B-G Corp., Leon Speakers, Cary Audio, Krell, Mark Levinson, McIntosh, California Audio Technology, etc, etc, going out of business, so they must be continuing to make money and sell products.


Bought a Yugo lately...

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Old 06-10-2014, 05:03 AM   #32
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One of my neighbors, that ended up buying a KEF unit from me, had gone to Best Buy and listened to the various soundbars they had set up to demo (a veritable plethora of major brands).

The one they liked best?

The Sony unit.


After I installed the KEF for them, I got a "Oh my god, this is WAY better than any of those others we listened to!".



FWIW: I didn't call anyone nasty names, and didn't consider are discussion hostile (like they tend to do in the electrical forums), but do have a strong opinion about this business I've been in for SO many years.

Gregzoll,

I think it's funny that you mentioned a company that sells B&W, and Integra, as those are most definitely high end lines. Especially so with Integra being the high end Onkyo product, and B&W most definitely being high end.

Not snubbing, or thumbing my nose, at anyone. Just stating the facts from the side of a professional in the AV industry, as I see them. I prefer to give the customer a product that I know will be reliable and give better than average performance, and that works.

I don't see companies like, Cary Audio, B&W, Atlantic Technology, B-G Corp., Leon Speakers, Cary Audio, Krell, Mark Levinson, McIntosh, California Audio Technology, etc, etc, going out of business, so they must be continuing to make money and sell products.


Bought a Yugo lately...

So,
They liked how a Sony soundbar sounded in the middle of a BestBuy store (certainly optimum listening conditions) but liked your KEF unit in their livingroom more?


Completely fair comparison for sure.
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I went out of my way to pickup an old Polk audio-only soundbar for our new family room/kitchen TV. No wireless nonsense to set up or keep synchronized. Sure, it isn't going to give me the same fidelity as actual separate speakers. But going with those would end up causing much more sound to resonate away to the second floor. So instead the bar projects to straight from the screen to the viewers. Works great. Especially for late evening viewing.

For better viewing/listening we've got a theater, to be set up later this year.

My point is don't get too fixated on the audiophile nonsense, pay more attention to how you're actually going to use the room and how that'll affect the rest of the house.
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ktkelly, yes they sell the higher end components as I mentioned. Due to they deal with both rich and middle class income buyers. The majority of their business is with middle class buyers.

They move more Klipsch speakers then the local Best Buy does. Same for flat screens, which they are lower priced then the local Best Buy. Plus side is that they will come to your house and set up the equipment, walk you through. If any problems later on. They will not charge you for coming back and fixing something.

Even they have stated that they would rather have a customer happy by not spending a whole lot. Then having them upset at spending too much on their audio choices.

I really do not care to spend a couple of thousand on one speaker setup, that is made to take the place of home theater systems. Sort of what Bose tried to accomplish.

I have two systems in my home. The sound bar for tv watching. The Home theater for Football season, movies and watching programming off of the Blu-Ray player, when we are viewing Amazon Prime stuff or Netflix. Since the sound bar is not connected to that unit.

Everyone has their choices. I do get a good laugh when you get someone that comes into a thread and tells everyone that they are making bad choices. Because they did not go with the most expensive equipment in the show room.
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ktkelly, yes they sell the higher end components as I mentioned. Due to they deal with both rich and middle class income buyers. The majority of their business is with middle class buyers.

They move more Klipsch speakers then the local Best Buy does. Same for flat screens, which they are lower priced then the local Best Buy. Plus side is that they will come to your house and set up the equipment, walk you through. If any problems later on. They will not charge you for coming back and fixing something.

Even they have stated that they would rather have a customer happy by not spending a whole lot. Then having them upset at spending too much on their audio choices.

I really do not care to spend a couple of thousand on one speaker setup, that is made to take the place of home theater systems. Sort of what Bose tried to accomplish.

I have two systems in my home. The sound bar for tv watching. The Home theater for Football season, movies and watching programming off of the Blu-Ray player, when we are viewing Amazon Prime stuff or Netflix. Since the sound bar is not connected to that unit.

Everyone has their choices. I do get a good laugh when you get someone that comes into a thread and tells everyone that they are making bad choices. Because they did not go with the most expensive equipment in the show room.

The only thing that matters is that a person is happy with what they have. That is the entire point, right?
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Everyone has their choices. I do get a good laugh when you get someone that comes into a thread and tells everyone that they are making bad choices. Because they did not go with the most expensive equipment in the show room.
Agreed, but audiophile nonsense just brings this out in people. Look no further than the monster cable and even more ridiculously over priced "specialty" cables.

But for the ultimate thread-killer.... mention Bose.
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The only thing that matters is that a person is happy with what they have. That is the entire point, right?
Totally agreed. But some do not see it that way.
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Agreed, but audiophile nonsense just brings this out in people. Look no further than the monster cable and even more ridiculously over priced "specialty" cables.

But for the ultimate thread-killer.... mention Bose.
Monster is nothing. It is the $1300 power cords that gives you that look like a dog does, when they cock their head and are thinking WTH.
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Totally agreed. But some do not see it that way.
After restoring hundreds of tube amplifiers, listening to a lot of "audiophool" equipment and doing my own comparisons and then building my own amplifiers, that is the conclusion I came to.



As long as the person is happy, whether it's with a $1300 power cord that performs as good as a $5 one, or a cheap set of speakers that kinda stinks, but does the job all that matters is that the person is happy. I have a pair of $60 Altec-Lansing pc spkrs on our 24" Vizio kitchen tv because as was said before, many if not most modern tv's have pretty poor speakers in them.

I swore by tubes until someone gave me a Bryston 4B that I had fixed under it's warranty when it was 19 years old and then compared that 800W monster to a 50W tube amp. I realized pretty fast they both sounded pretty much identical and that 800W doesn't go much louder than 50. Once I realized tubes didn't sound any better all of the audiophool propaganda started to become clear.

Now that doesn't mean I don't like high end stuff, but a lot of what I feel is best audiophiles don't agree with. I swear by bi-amping using active crossovers. Biwire is a joke, and biamping with passive crossovers is a joke.
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Just like buying a car. You can get a basic Kia or a Mercedes. Both have 4 wheels and roll and will get you where you want to go. Whatever the consumer is happy with is what matters as long as he knows what to expect in advance ( simulated surround sound ).
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The only thing that matters is that a person is happy with what they have. That is the entire point, right?
Totally correct.
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cj133. Bi-amping only works best, when you are talking about having large outdoor sound stages. For granted it takes some of the load off of the amp, if you are wanting to make people give that look of ah, because you have a whole wall full of amp's to drive the 12 speakers across the front wall, with sub's placed in the wrong locations.

I look through the setups on avsforum all of the time. 99% of them you can tell that they blew the bank on the construction. But what they wanted for equipment never came through. Due to there was no money left.

I grew up with a local guy in my area that took his Apple Stock, from his father owning the local Apple store, before there was any such thing. His rooms blow the majority of the ones on avsforum away. The sound quality is top notch. Most of those setups are using mid grade equipment, that was properly setup after the room construction.

I have friends with so much money, they do not know what to do with it. They could care less about home theaters, or high end vehicles. What they want. Is to be able to turn on the tv and hear what they are stating on it. Without having to turn on four different pieces of gear to get sound.
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you guys are hurting my feelings. i'm going to go adjust my cable elevators.
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I've heard good things about Vizio sound bars
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I don't know much about soundbars but I do know that some of them are not compatible with other name brands, so if your like me buying things one at a time to save remember that you might want to ask if you can pair it with certain speaks, subwoofer or etc. I know Sono's is one that can be paired..

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