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Old 02-11-2008, 04:06 PM   #16
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hd satellite boxs will not put out any higher then 1080i. in that case u can use component cables for the hd sat box. if u cannot find component cables long enough u can run indivdual rg-6 cables to the length u need them. just put the compression ends on the cable, then the a/v adaptor plugs on the end of those and there u have it, component cables. since the hd dvd players puts out 1080p u will need a hdmi cable for that. (the rg-6 way should save u some money to)

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Old 03-03-2008, 10:19 AM   #17
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Wow.....quite the discussion. Everyone has valid points. HDMI is limited to its distance.....however.....HDMI cable is grossly overpriced.

The one thing that does catch my attention is the comment on DIY sites....i take offence to this. As a professional and DIYer I both advise and help on DIY forums. I find that DIYers many times take A LOT of time studying into things for the simple reason that they enjoy what they are studying. Many professionals do not neccessarily enjoy what they are doing, and thus won't pay much attention to their training. Plus, many professionals won't go into the depth of studying products and technology as some DIYers. Many of them just want to focus on the essentials to get the product sold and installed. Please keep in mind that I am saying many, not all. I for one love what I am doing, and I deeply study into anything that I install.

The other major advantage of DIYers on forums is that it gives us the ability to hear how people actually feel about some technologies....are they useless and just cool or do they make sense and actually get used.

Plus lets not forget that DIY forums provide different opinions and views to problems which people may have. This right here is what helps us advance in everything from installation methods, to products.

I think that it should be understood that both worlds (DIYers and Professionals) have their distinct advantages and disadvantages. But I would not say that one is far beyond the other in their relevent feilds.
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Old 03-03-2008, 02:01 PM   #18
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Wow.....quite the discussion. Everyone has valid points. HDMI is limited to its distance.....however.....HDMI cable is grossly overpriced.

Unless you get it from Monoprice.com like I do. $6 for a 6 footer.
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oops....sorry...you are right....allow me to correct myself.....by saying overpriced, I mean by the big box stores and the big manufactures who are taking advantage of the people who do not know any better....because they can.

You can get decent priced HDMI, just keep an eye on the quality.
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Hi, very interesting information being provided. I thank you all. What concerns me is that the cables that are being suggested such as rapidrun and Gefen would cost more than 50% of my existing hardware. Has anyone tried running 20 to 25 feet using "uncertified" cables such as the ones from Monoprice?
Monoprice ( use google to find them ) has 50ft cable that has so far worked flawlessly for us so are the 25ft cables. The main point here make sure you account for up and down the wall and so forth when saying its 25ft. You be surprised that 3 foot in equipment room and 2 foot behind your tv just taken out 5 feet from the equation.

So save some money and do the following. Harmony 890 remote with IR and any cheap HDMI cable from Monoprice.

Hope this helps.
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Old 03-12-2008, 06:46 PM   #21
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Wow.....quite the discussion. Everyone has valid points. HDMI is limited to its distance.....however.....HDMI cable is grossly overpriced.

The one thing that does catch my attention is the comment on DIY sites....i take offence to this. As a professional and DIYer I both advise and help on DIY forums. I find that DIYers many times take A LOT of time studying into things for the simple reason that they enjoy what they are studying. Many professionals do not neccessarily enjoy what they are doing, and thus won't pay much attention to their training. Plus, many professionals won't go into the depth of studying products and technology as some DIYers. Many of them just want to focus on the essentials to get the product sold and installed. Please keep in mind that I am saying many, not all. I for one love what I am doing, and I deeply study into anything that I install.

The other major advantage of DIYers on forums is that it gives us the ability to hear how people actually feel about some technologies....are they useless and just cool or do they make sense and actually get used.

Plus lets not forget that DIY forums provide different opinions and views to problems which people may have. This right here is what helps us advance in everything from installation methods, to products.

I think that it should be understood that both worlds (DIYers and Professionals) have their distinct advantages and disadvantages. But I would not say that one is far beyond the other in their relevent feilds.
Field Installs HDMI: 43 Installations with 100ft HDMI cables
Over 100 installations with 50ft HDMI cables
and cant even count the 25ft ones.

The only service call history on all of these are on one projector where the owner tilted projector and put stress on connection/connector.

So I guess size only matters in few areas, HDMI is not one of them
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Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that HDMI is limited to xx distance. I too have also installed some 50'ers without a problem as far as I know. By that I mean that I do not have the expertise nor the equipment to properly test the max lengths of HDMI cables. Trial and error is the only method that I have. Every cable has a limit to its run length dependent on the signal. How much degradation and what effect it has and if the end user will really be bothered or not....that is another topic of discussion.

I have not yet personally tried an HDMI over 50', but I will deffinetly give it a shot now.

People just need to understand that ALL copper style cable has similar limitations, no matter what the signal is. The effect on the different types of signals may be different though. Even fiber optic has it limitations.

But by no means does this mean that we have to pay exuberant amounts of money for one cable over another, most likely just for the name and packaging.

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