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Old 01-23-2014, 09:56 PM   #31
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Actually they still do produce a lot of material in 4:3 480i/480p for a lot of low budget stuff and commercials.
i have not seen any 4:3 material in years. but i suppose low grade productions could use old gear. i just have not seen it. but saying that, today, 16:9 is thee standard for typical TV material. and 1.85:1 is typical hollywood widescreen.

so, saying "full screen" is indicative of a 4:3 format. is like saying pro-logic is typical movie audio format.

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i have not seen any 4:3 material in years. but i suppose low grade productions could use old gear. i just have not seen it. but saying that, today, 16:9 is thee standard for typical TV material. and 1.85:1 is typical hollywood widescreen.

so, saying "full screen" is indicative of a 4:3 format. is like saying pro-logic is typical movie audio format.
I see it all of the time. They still do the local news from one of the local channels in 480i 4:3 format at 9pm on one of the other channels they own. They love to state that they are in HD, but you can tell that it is upscaled from 480i 4:3 to 720p 16:9.
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Old 01-24-2014, 10:52 PM   #33
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There are lots of recent DVD's that are "Full Screen".

A very short search showed several from 2005, 06, 07, 08, etc, etc.

The "full screen" disclaimer (this film has been adapted to fit on your TV) is STILL on many of the cases.





I have no idea what the reference to audio standards has to do with film standards.



What do you do for a living?
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Old 01-25-2014, 07:13 AM   #34
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The "full screen" disclaimer (this film has been adapted to fit on your TV) is STILL on many of the cases.








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sure. who likes black bars ? pretty much no one. i hate them. thats why i lense shift down, and top mask. for TV viewing, i am sure they pan & scan to make a widescreen fit full screen. no one would watch it if the image was manipulated to fit the screen .





what does that have to do with anything ?
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Just curious about your work background, since you have such a strong opinion on this "full screen" issue.

I figure you're either somewhat in the AV industry, or you're on the outside and have learned "just enough"....



Why would "they" continue make full screen DVD's?

There are still an amazing amount of people that have the old 4:3 tube TV's, and these people would rather have a picture fill the screen. same people don't even know how much of the image is cut off, and don't really care. Hell, many are still using a VCR.
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Samsung, LG and VIAO are the way to go with stuff and LED-LCD ARE brighter and better than Plasma, Plasmas are still expensive and overpriced not to mention their resolution if you were to hook up a PC to one aren't always the best. My landlord just bought a 40" Hisense at Costco but it doesn't have your requirements. I would suggest Seriously looking at 40" and above Samsung, LG, or Vaio.
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I figure you're either somewhat in the AV industry, or you're on the outside and have learned "just enough"....



Why would "they" continue make full screen DVD's?
There are still an amazing amount of people that have the old 4:3 tube TV's, and these people would rather have a picture fill the screen. same people don't even know how much of the image is cut off, and don't really care. Hell, many are still using a VCR.

i am the "just enough' guy . but i have been at it a long time, mid 80's. 27" tube, hifi vcr, stereo, sounded pretty good, back then.
then i met my wife. her dad got stereo magazines and gave them to me when he finished with them. he was a bose guy
i then upgraded to pro-logic and a sub, laser disc, 52" rear projection. then the internet kicked it up several notched dual DIY subs, ep2500's, dcx2496. projector, 119" da-lite hp2.8. works pretty well.


they still making the full screen "dvd's". for the reasons you stated.

i haven't watched a dvd in years. blu-ray for me.
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Okay,


I have been in the AV industry since the 70's in some form or another.

Have designed, sold, serviced, etc, etc, for so long it's ridiculous. Am semi retired in that I only do any systems work for existing clients, and when I say systems, it's because it's become a thing where most everything is now on the network.

While I will agree that LCD panels have come a long way (both LED backlit & fluorescent backlit), the picture quality on a PDP is STILL better, especially so if it's been professionally calibrated, as the black levels on a LCD panels cannot approach those of a PDP.

Now then, there is the newest of the new coming our way, and this will make the difference.

OLED will be the end all. This is the product that I have been watching for some time. Wafer thin, flexible, and incredible picture quality, along with the lowest power consumption yet.


My mistake for just claiming "brightness", as brightness isn't the real factor to be considered. Contrast is much more important, and if the back levels are weak, the contrast level just isn't there. Ergo, the picture quality suffers.

Why I favor a PDP?

I've most always dealt with professional panels that have, along with other things like longer warranties due to higher quality parts, matte glass, so there;s no real glare factor to be contended with.

But, even so, direct sunlight will wash out the picture on a LCD much more than it possibly can on a PDP, since the LCD will allow the light to go through the panel, as it cannot with a PDP.


Nuff said...
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I'm not a pro by any means, but I tinker enough that a lot of my friends and family ask my opinion on things like this. I usually recommend some brands over others in terms of quality, but I also tell them that when it comes to sound and picture, everyone is different.

Go listen to different systems with different speakers - go look at different types of tvs. Some people like crisp highs, other like booming lows...some people like brightly colored screens, some like deep blacks...everyone is different. That's why I recommend going to stores (more than one) and look and listen and find what you really like.
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When shopping for a TV in the store, beware of trickery. Some stores will turn down the brightness on a cheaper TV, so that the more expensive TV next-to it seems like it has a better picture. Get into the display menu and see if you can make the cheaper TV look just as nice.

I just put a 65" LCD (1080p, 240hz) Seiki in a conference room for work last week, since that room sucks for projector presentations (too many windows). It was about $900 from Tiger Direct, and seems nice for the price and size.

At home I have an older Samsung Plasma 50" (720p, 60hz). It gets the job done for watching TV, but I wish it were 120hz. My basement also has a 102" projection system, that I mainly use for watching sports and playing the occasional PS3. Projection is nice for the size, but when 100" TVs become common/affordable, I will replace the projection in a heartbeat.

I would say refresh rate is more important than resolution, if all you do is watch TV. TV broadcasts (with VERY few exceptions) are all 720p or 1080i. You don't get the benefit of 1080p unless you have something hooked up to it that can put out 1080p. Same thing with 4K (UHD) right now - great possibilities to display to it, but unless you have a high-end computer outputting 4K or one of the very few blue-ray movies in 4K, you can't really take advantage of it.
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If you also wish to hook up a PC and love to use HD resolutions then ABSOLUTELY Resolution is also important. Another thing to point out is that with movies and such resolution is also important as well as refresh rate especially if you do not want to have any issues with pixels and watching movies or TV. the other thing to consider is the fact that although 4k UHD is not common or cheap UHD will not be able to come full circle until they are able to use a single panel, OLED is already out there but it's very expensive and still being tested. LED-LCD is the way to go right now considering you have better options, and if you know how to properly calibrate ANY TV/Monitor anything will show up as deep as you wish it to. all you do is set the proper settings and you are done. I am using the 32" that came with my room for my primary computer monitor. I love the fact that I can do whatever I want and still enjoy movies at any definition including full 1080p on it. My desktop is hooked in 24/7 and running 24/7 unless I'm working on it or I need to power cycle the machine. My point here ultimately is to explain that BOTH refresh AND Resolution DO matter especially when it comes to movies or gaming, Sports events are also important as well with refresh rate. The TV in my room was not my choice or it would have been a 120hz model. I have been enjoying it for the last several months and as I do wish to have my OWN TV mounted up to this bracket with a 40" or better size LED-LCD thin panel.
Example of what I like in a TV/Monitor and know what works and is needed:
Full 1080P resolution with at least 1920x1080 resolution capabilities
Refresh of at least 120hz
at least 4 HDMI ports
1 DVI or VGA port(backup If HDMI were to go out on my Video card or stop working due to driver glitch/bug)
Optical I/O for added capabilities
(3D is a bonus feature that I would like but not absolutely needed.)
The features you SHOULD be looking for and buying in ANY TV:
1080P +Full 1920x1080 resolution
120hz or better
3+HDMI ports
1VGA or DVI or both
RGBY component for devices that don't have HDMI

Do not settle always look at and CHECK features. when going into a store, if you intend on hooking up a computer and you want to see what it's like call ahead and ask if you may bring a laptop to check the resolution, alot of stores with the exception of probably walmart probably would not mind and more than likely allow you to test functionality before you buy. I use my desktop as a business and pleasure machine so it's setup as a multirole desktop, it will eventually have a TV tuner in it but I do not have the ability for regular TV so I just watch my shows off my Xfinity or other free services.
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http://plasmatvbuyingguide.com/plasmatv/reviews.html. had a Samsung led and took it back and bought the plasma Samsung 8500 series.it's the balls day or night. If you plan on using streaming video, make sure you check your internet speed. netflix etc. have minimum requirement s to get best picture quality.
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Looking at the 80", the picture on most Blu-rays, that are not filmed in 2:35:1, end up looking weird. As in the character or person on the screen is bloated looking, and stretched out.

If you have the room, and a dedicated space, a Projector is the best way to go.
I totally agree about getting a projector. There is an Optoma HD131XE that is selling for just above $700 on Amazon. It's a 1080p DLP projector with two HDMI inputs. My 720p Panasonic AE500 just died recently so this will be it's replacement. Nothing quite like a 96" hi-def picture with a great Definitive Technology 5.1 speaker system.

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