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Old 03-16-2014, 11:17 PM   #16
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It is possible it went to one those radical nations...any within range?

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Usually when a terrorist activity happens someone claims responsibility- so far none that I know of.
The M O for hijacking or terrorism doesn't exactly fit this incident.....
No statement issued before or after the incident
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The pilot is probably going to end up being a sympathizer, a wanna bee. There are many, many sleeper folks like this in the US right now!
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The plane had enough manual controls that it was not able for one of the passengers to hijack the plane with his cell phone. Keep in mind some students from MIT took control of a car with just there laptop. I doubt we will ever get the full story. Has to be hard on the families to not have closure.
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They will find it this week Heat is too much now on Malaysian Authorities!

Black Box will give us all we need.
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Some of you watch too much TV....

This is from a friend of mine who writes for the Wall Street Journal....

What Satellite Data Reveal About Flight 370's Location
Plane's Last Communication Was Likely In One of Two Possible Corridors


By JON OSTROWER
March 15, 2014 11:59 p.m. ET


Despite new divergent plotted paths of the missing Malaysia Airlines Boeing Co. 777-200ER, investigators and aerospace officials are gaining a better understanding of where the breadcrumbs from Flight 370 originated and where they might lead, according to two people familiar with the search.


The expansive search for the missing plane, last seen over a week ago after departing Kuala Lumpur for Beijing with 239 people aboard, has relied on technologies from underwater robots to orbiting satellites.


On Saturday, Malaysia's prime minister said he believed "deliberate action" caused the plane's disappearance and that the search would now focus on two new corridors: a northern one spanning an area from northern Thailand to the Kazakhstan-Turkmenistan border and a southern one spanning an area from Indonesia to the southern Indian Ocean.


"Due to the type of satellite data, we are unable to confirm the precise location of the plane when it last made contact with the satellite," said Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak. He said aviation authorities in Malaysia and their international counterparts have "determined that the plane's last communication with the satellite was in one of two possible corridors."


The twin possible paths of the errant jetliner were derived from detailed calculations using the jet's last known heading, speed and likely fuel consumption allowing investigators to determine where Flight 370 was last seen and where it might have later exhausted its fuel.


Investigative teams used a series of hourly pings sent from the Inmarsat PLC satellite in geostationary orbit more than 22,000 miles above to the 777 after it was last spotted at 2:15 a.m. Malaysia local time by primary radar over the Malacca Strait heading for the Andaman Sea. The plots of those pings prompted search and rescue teams to expand into massive search areas.


As a result, the northern corridor and the southern corridor reflect where the 777 might have been when it sent its final ping at 8:11 a.m. Malaysia local time, some 7 hours after leaving the Malaysian capital.


With the search area widening and the potential cause of the vanishing jet narrowing down to the actions of someone on board the aircraft, those briefed on the inquiry gained a better understanding of the unfolding investigation during a week of little public disclosure.


Recent upgrades to the Inmarsat satellite constellation make it capable of receiving detailed position, altitude and speed data embedded in its pings to aircraft flying below. However, the 12-year-old Boeing jetliner wasn't configured to broadcast those definitive points of data, people being briefed on the investigation say, as they first believed.


Because the angle and distance of the aircraft relative to the orbiting satellite changed as the jet flew over the Earth's surface, each ping — the digital equivalent of a handshake — to Flight 370 gave Malaysian officials, the National Transportation Safety Board, the Federal Aviation Administration and the U.K.'s Air Accidents Investigation Branch enough information to plot the 777's speed, altitude and changing path.


With the data at hand, investigators were unable to determine if the jet's pings were north or south of its last known primary radar sighting. Two points on the globe below the satellite, with mirror angles and equal distances from the satellite, left investigators to conclude the jet had sent its final satellite ping in the probable corridors to the north or south.


The satellites "can't give straight directional" guidance, "therefore the calculation is looking left and right of the satellite," said an industry official briefed on the investigation. The estimated path "suffers from the fact that...the system wasn't set up for that."


Officials in government and industry have regarded the southern corridor into the Indian Ocean as the more likely path of the 777, but haven't ruled out the northern arc.


The track from northern Thailand to Kazakhstan crosses some of the most heavily militarized airspace in the world, including western China. According to the industry official, many of those nations "would have MiGs up in the sky before you even knew it" to intercept any unidentified flying object.


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And a bit more technical stuff.....................

Expert Was Needed to Disable Malaysia Airlines Jet Systems
Detailed Knowledge Would Be Required


By JON OSTROWER
Updated March 14, 2014 11:42 p.m. ET


If multiple communication systems aboard Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 were manually disabled, as investigators increasingly suspect happened, it would have required detailed knowledge of the long-range Boeing Co. 777's inner workings.


The first loss of the jet's transponder, which communicates the jet's position, speed and call sign to air traffic control radar, would require disabling a circuit breaker above and behind an overhead panel. Pilots rarely, if ever, need to access the circuit breakers, which are reserved for maintenance personnel.


Pulling one specific circuit breaker, which is labeled, would render inoperative both of the 777's transponders, according to documents reviewed by The Wall Street Journal and bolstered by comments from aviation industry officials and those who have worked with the 777.


Malaysia's leader says communications systems on Flight 370 were cut off by "deliberate action." U.S. officials are investigating whether a third system, on the plane's lower deck, was also compromised. WSJ's Jason Bellini explains. Image: AP


Becoming familiar with the 777's systems requires extensive training for pilots and aircraft mechanics alike, experts said. However, considerable technical data on the airplane is also available online in discussion groups or other websites.


Investigators are trying to establish a sequence of events that transpired on the jet, which vanished from radar March 8, most critically the loss of communication.


The shutdown of the on board reporting system shortly after the jet was last seen on radar, can be performed in a series of keystrokes on either of the cockpit's two flight management computers in the cockpit. The computers are used to set the performance of the engines on takeoff, plan the route, as well as other functions to guide the 777.

After vanishing, the jet's satellite communications system continued to ping orbiting satellites for at least five hours. The pings ceased at a point over the Indian Ocean, while the aircraft was at a normal cruise altitude, say two people familiar with the jet's last known position. Investigators are trying to understand that loss, and whether or not "something catastrophic happened or someone switched off" the satellite communication system, says one of the people.


A physical disconnection of the satellite communications system would require extremely detailed knowledge of the aircraft, its internal structure and its systems. The satellite data system is spread across the aircraft and disabling it would require physical access to key components. Disconnecting the satellite data system from the jet's central computer, known as AIMS, would disable its transmission. The central computer can be reached from inside the jet while it is flying, but its whereabouts would have to be known by someone deeply familiar with the 777.


Getting into the area housing the 777's computers would "not take a lot" of knowledge, said an aviation professional who has worked with the 777. However, this person added, "to know what to do there to disable" systems would require considerable understanding of the jet's inner workings. Some airlines outfit the access hatch to the area below the floor with a special screw to prevent unauthorized intrusion, the person added.


Orbiting satellites are designed to check in with the aircraft's satellite-communication system hourly if no data is received during that time. The pings from the aircraft became a subject of scrutiny earlier this week, said a person familiar with the matter, several days after the plane first went missing.


Because the pings between the satellite and the aircraft registered that the aircraft's satellite communications system was healthy and able to transmit, the data did not immediately raise any red flags in the hours after the jet's disappearance.


At first, the origin of the final ping from the Malaysia Airlines jet seemed like an anomaly to investigators, according to a person familiar with the matter, given that the plane was believed to have crashed off the coast of Vietnam, hundreds if not thousands of miles from the location of the final ping.


Until just a few years ago, the satellite communication system used by jetliners didn't include data on an aircraft's location in the pings, the electronic equivalent of handshakes used to establish initial contact.


For instance, before Air France Flight 447 crashed into the Atlantic Ocean in 2009, the jet sent some diagnostic data indicating problems with various onboard systems, including the autopilot's deactivation. But notably the plane's position wasn't transmitted with that data.


Partly as a result it took nearly two years to locate the plane's "black boxes" and the majority of the wreckage. In the case of the missing Malaysian jetliner, precise locations were provided. However, it is unclear why the transmission ceased and where the plane may have ended up after the final ping.


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So....no, you can't hijack the plane using your cell phone....

Without divulging details....if there had been an attempt to hijack it from within the cabin...well...the crew would have gotten off an alert message.....and lets just say that the hijackers would have some serious headaches.

As much as Hollywood would have you think that we can track anything.....the only way your going to track that plane is if you were actively looking for it at the time it was flying.

Commercial aircraft follow what are called Flight Corridors

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_path

At any given moment that are numerous aircraft within those paths....hence, unless an emergency is declared...air traffic radar is not paying a whole lot of attention to what the aircraft are doing.

One of the key points that a lot of people have not caught onto is that the aircraft change course 'after' it was told by one region to contact Vietnam ATC. Well...because they did not check into Vietnam ATC....they were not watching it.....and because of the hand off...the last ATC was not watching the aircraft.

Sort of like....You drop your kid off at a friends house....you see them walk up to the door and you drive off thinking they are going in...instead, your kid takes off around the corner...

One or both of the pilots did this intentionally..if only one...then you can expect the other one to be dead.
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And a bit more technical stuff.....................

Expert Was Needed to Disable Malaysia Airlines Jet Systems
Detailed Knowledge Would Be Required


By JON OSTROWER
Updated March 14, 2014 11:42 p.m. ET


If multiple communication systems aboard Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 were manually disabled, as investigators increasingly suspect happened, it would have required detailed knowledge of the long-range Boeing Co. 777's inner workings.


The first loss of the jet's transponder, which communicates the jet's position, speed and call sign to air traffic control radar, would require disabling a circuit breaker above and behind an overhead panel. Pilots rarely, if ever, need to access the circuit breakers, which are reserved for maintenance personnel.


Pulling one specific circuit breaker, which is labeled, would render inoperative both of the 777's transponders, according to documents reviewed by The Wall Street Journal and bolstered by comments from aviation industry officials and those who have worked with the 777.


Malaysia's leader says communications systems on Flight 370 were cut off by "deliberate action." U.S. officials are investigating whether a third system, on the plane's lower deck, was also compromised. WSJ's Jason Bellini explains. Image: AP


Becoming familiar with the 777's systems requires extensive training for pilots and aircraft mechanics alike, experts said. However, considerable technical data on the airplane is also available online in discussion groups or other websites.


Investigators are trying to establish a sequence of events that transpired on the jet, which vanished from radar March 8, most critically the loss of communication.


The shutdown of the on board reporting system shortly after the jet was last seen on radar, can be performed in a series of keystrokes on either of the cockpit's two flight management computers in the cockpit. The computers are used to set the performance of the engines on takeoff, plan the route, as well as other functions to guide the 777.

After vanishing, the jet's satellite communications system continued to ping orbiting satellites for at least five hours. The pings ceased at a point over the Indian Ocean, while the aircraft was at a normal cruise altitude, say two people familiar with the jet's last known position. Investigators are trying to understand that loss, and whether or not "something catastrophic happened or someone switched off" the satellite communication system, says one of the people.


A physical disconnection of the satellite communications system would require extremely detailed knowledge of the aircraft, its internal structure and its systems. The satellite data system is spread across the aircraft and disabling it would require physical access to key components. Disconnecting the satellite data system from the jet's central computer, known as AIMS, would disable its transmission. The central computer can be reached from inside the jet while it is flying, but its whereabouts would have to be known by someone deeply familiar with the 777.


Getting into the area housing the 777's computers would "not take a lot" of knowledge, said an aviation professional who has worked with the 777. However, this person added, "to know what to do there to disable" systems would require considerable understanding of the jet's inner workings. Some airlines outfit the access hatch to the area below the floor with a special screw to prevent unauthorized intrusion, the person added.


Orbiting satellites are designed to check in with the aircraft's satellite-communication system hourly if no data is received during that time. The pings from the aircraft became a subject of scrutiny earlier this week, said a person familiar with the matter, several days after the plane first went missing.


Because the pings between the satellite and the aircraft registered that the aircraft's satellite communications system was healthy and able to transmit, the data did not immediately raise any red flags in the hours after the jet's disappearance.


At first, the origin of the final ping from the Malaysia Airlines jet seemed like an anomaly to investigators, according to a person familiar with the matter, given that the plane was believed to have crashed off the coast of Vietnam, hundreds if not thousands of miles from the location of the final ping.


Until just a few years ago, the satellite communication system used by jetliners didn't include data on an aircraft's location in the pings, the electronic equivalent of handshakes used to establish initial contact.


For instance, before Air France Flight 447 crashed into the Atlantic Ocean in 2009, the jet sent some diagnostic data indicating problems with various onboard systems, including the autopilot's deactivation. But notably the plane's position wasn't transmitted with that data.


Partly as a result it took nearly two years to locate the plane's "black boxes" and the majority of the wreckage. In the case of the missing Malaysian jetliner, precise locations were provided. However, it is unclear why the transmission ceased and where the plane may have ended up after the final ping.


Write to Jon Ostrower at jon.ostrower@wsj.com


Only one thing is certain right now, there is a lot of interpretation of the facts, in many different ways. One expert said tonight, that the switch to turn off the plains ID and altitude reading, which also disables the backup device, is right on the console. Nothing special to do!

I believe there is a lot already known, but not being released yet!

Does not matter where we or you get your info, since the tv and rags are all getting it from the same place right now and regurgitating to their audience.

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So....no, you can't hijack the plane using your cell phone....

Without divulging details....if there had been an attempt to hijack it from within the cabin...well...the crew would have gotten off an alert message.....and lets just say that the hijackers would have some serious headaches.

As much as Hollywood would have you think that we can track anything.....the only way your going to track that plane is if you were actively looking for it at the time it was flying.

Commercial aircraft follow what are called Flight Corridors

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_path

At any given moment that are numerous aircraft within those paths....hence, unless an emergency is declared...air traffic radar is not paying a whole lot of attention to what the aircraft are doing.

One of the key points that a lot of people have not caught onto is that the aircraft change course 'after' it was told by one region to contact Vietnam ATC. Well...because they did not check into Vietnam ATC....they were not watching it.....and because of the hand off...the last ATC was not watching the aircraft.

Sort of like....You drop your kid off at a friends house....you see them walk up to the door and you drive off thinking they are going in...instead, your kid takes off around the corner...

One or both of the pilots did this intentionally..if only one...then you can expect the other one to be dead.

Your info on tracking is not accurate, I have experience in tracking devices. As long as a device is installed, it records data and can give it to you live or allow you to download at any time. I am sure we will see this added to the black boxes, but need to remember that tracking devices must make either satellite contact or cellular to record their long and lat..

My guess, this is going to be the sole effort of the one Sr. pilot.
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Your info on tracking is not accurate, I have experience in tracking devices. As long as a device is installed, it records data and can give it to you live or allow you to download at any time. I am sure we will see this added to the black boxes, but need to remember that tracking devices must make either satellite contact or cellular to record their long and lat..

My guess, this is going to be the sole effort of the one Sr. pilot.
My info is accurate as it applies in this case.....

I don't think you understand fully the avionics that are on commercial airlines.

You might want to look up what the range is (line of site) for cellular data.
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No I am good. As I said already.....

We will wait to see if your "accurate info" surfaces in this case, or just some ones interpretation. I understand what the experts on TV are saying, just like you understand your newspaper buddy.

If you and he have so much accurate info, maybe you need to call the White House and pass it on? Including your top secret internal hijack prevention via headaches!

Have a good one!
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Latest information suggests the pilot may have somehow been involved.....he had a flight simulator in his apartment????
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Latest information suggests the pilot may have somehow been involved.....he had a flight simulator in his apartment????
the pilot is involved......

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