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Old 03-18-2014, 01:32 AM   #31
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This may seem over simplistic but what if we stopped producing any more guns.....just stopped! If there's actually half a billion guns already in the US, why would we need any more? That's 1 for every man/woman/child on the continent! Why are there factories still churning out more??? Eventually, we would get rid of all the excess guns (might take several generations) but in the end, those that had them could keep them, we just wouldn't produce anymore other than for law enforcement....there done, problem solved!

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Old 03-18-2014, 01:39 AM   #32
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If the gun dealer abides by the law- leave him alone. Arrest the straw purchaser, convict him/her.
I really don't care how many gun stores there are. Two blocks from me is a Wallmart, I got a nice 20gauge there for grouse and pheasant- going to try it on turkey in April. And yes I had a waiting period.
The pawn shop down the street didn't have shot guns, only deer and varmint rifles.

To me the # of stores is pointless- how many liquor stores/ quick stops are there that sold to people that killed someone with there car while driving drunk?
My brother was one of those victims years ago. Broadsided by a drunk kid. He was 18 himself -DOA

How does American society deal with this? Education, awareness, stiffer laws, prison, organizations such as mothers against drunk driving. This is how we should deal with guns
They didn't ban alcohol..... They didn't close liquor stores.....
BTW- I have seen more lives destroyed, more families harmed, more property damage, more costs incurred by alcohol than I believe I ever will from fire arms.
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Guns aren't going away, a few years back I was in Mississippi at a flea market, they had many many guns there for sale, there was even, to my surprise, a Thompson Sub Machine gun for sale. I think everyone in Mississippi carries a gun, the folks there are nice as can be, but you just don't want to mess with one of them.

All the talk about guns, why not all the other things that can kill or harm someone, why not ban all of them also, same difference. I will say though, I would much rather be shot than have my throat cut.

If you ever walk up on a copper headed rattle moccasin you will wish you had a gun. If someone breaks in your house at night while you sleep, you will want a gun. Someone coming at you with a knife, you will want a gun. A rabid dog coming at you, you will want a gun, a knife won't work.
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Old 03-18-2014, 05:32 AM   #34
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Murder and violence proceeds from the heart of man and that something that a law can never change.
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Old 03-18-2014, 07:06 AM   #35
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The number of death by auto has steadily decreased as public awareness and mandatory seat belt and air bag use has steadily increased.

The number of people smoking has steadily decreased as gov'ts spend a ton of money on public awareness of the effects of smoking, as well as regulating where you can smoke and who can buy the smokes

So it stands to reason that tighter regulation on the sale of firearms would have the same effect.
Especially if you look at the death by gun stats of other countries that have enforced tighter regulations.

Maybe the number of stores is not as significant as the bolded part of my statement.

The ATF has traced 2/3 of all guns used in crimes to 1% of these gun stores. The NRA see's the tracing systems as restricting gun owners rights.

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Old 03-18-2014, 07:19 AM   #36
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Ok Cricket. How can you possibly take offensive to the use of the word YOU in this statement


By the way ..just because its the culture doesn't make it good or bad ...slavery was the American culture for hundreds of years before you figured it out

Clearly the use of the word you was not meant as you personally but you as a nation. Either way I make a very good point.
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"And don’t say that it won’t make a difference because crazies will always be able to get a gun. We’re not going to eliminate gun deaths, any more than we have eliminated auto accidents. But if we could reduce gun deaths by one-third, that would be 10,000 lives saved annually.

Likewise, don’t bother with the argument that if more people carried guns, they would deter shooters or interrupt them. Mass shooters typically kill themselves or are promptly caught, so it’s hard to see what deterrence would be added by having more people pack heat. There have been few if any cases in the United States in which an ordinary citizen with a gun stopped a mass shooting. "


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"And donít say that it wonít make a difference because crazies will always be able to get a gun. Weíre not going to eliminate gun deaths, any more than we have eliminated auto accidents. But if we could reduce gun deaths by one-third, that would be 10,000 lives saved annually.

Likewise, donít bother with the argument that if more people carried guns, they would deter shooters or interrupt them. Mass shooters typically kill themselves or are promptly caught, so itís hard to see what deterrence would be added by having more people pack heat. There have been few if any cases in the United States in which an ordinary citizen with a gun stopped a mass shooting. "


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If a mass shooting is stopped before it started, how is it recorded as a mass shooting?
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That's a good point Bbo.

Perhaps the author meant that something like " A shooter walked into a movie theatre or a school...started shooting ..and then was taken out by an armed citizen before more carnage was done...

I'm not the author though..But I did provide the link
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Its Wash's thread, maybe he will chime in with a solution.

Otherwise is the future really that bleak?
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Its Wash's thread, maybe he will chime in with a solution.

Otherwise is the future really that bleak?


Yes, I believe the future is that bleak. At least the immediate future in regards to gun deaths in America.
The thing is, all the statistics all the horror stories and mass shootings and flea market sub machine guns, do not compete with 'our' desire as Americas to be armed at all costs.

"Ya ain't taking my gun" trumps all arguments.

Society is changing...slowly. But I'm afraid it will take many thousands, perhaps millions, more senseless deaths before we're ready to change the constitution.
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The cat is already out of the bag. If there are that many guns floating around out there and more being smuggled in from Mexico or overseas then there will be a endless supply for criminals. Until society changes and does not want to party all the time and do drugs and get high all the time there will always be a drug and gun problem. Unlikely your constitution will get changed so guns as a culture are here to stay. Canada is quite different as we were founded differently. We are taught to respect the law and the Mounties and police did/do not let the gangs and drug cartels get out of hand historically and now.

I believe a lot of your gun problems started in the mid 1960's with the drug revolution and the breakup of the family unit. So many young men don't know who there Father is (or in prison) or grow up in poor single parent families or poverty that it breeds never ending violence. When there was a Father at home there were rules and the occasional beatin to keep you in line. Now there are no rules for these young people or role models and everyone wants to party and get high.
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If there is an endless supply of guns for criminals...it leads to the next obvious question...

Which country is the biggest producer of all these guns??
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Its Wash's thread, maybe he will chime in with a solution.

Otherwise is the future really that bleak?
No, it's not bleak- I am an optimist. The 2nd gives me the right to keep and bear arms.
The gun is not the issue- it is only a convenient object.

The problem is a failing society, broken judicial system and far left/right extreme politicians and lobbyists who fly off the handle.
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Yuri: I agree with what you say, but at the same time there are laxer drug laws and broken families in other countries that don't see this kind of gun violence

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