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Old 03-04-2014, 08:09 PM   #46
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Even up until a couple of years ago I was very firm in my belief that the death penalty was a just punishment for the most heinous crimes.

I am not certain when or why my belief began to change but I believe it is based on some common sense facts (in my humble opinion) that caught me off guard and left me with many questions

As an example, it bugged the heck out of me that our taxes were used to house these criminal until the day that they died. I later learned that in reality we spend far more money executing a criminal than it would cost to keep him in prison with no chance of parole.

Do we as humans have the right to choose who lives and who dies?

I also began to wonder if death was really an easy way out for our worst offenders. Perhaps a more just punishment would be them spending every last day on this earth behind bars. On the flip side of that coin, I would have issue with providing these prisoners with a better lifestyle than our nations poor.

My final concern with abolishing the death penalty is what would happen to those cases that currently take a plea rather than facing the possibility of death. In recent events, Ariel Castro chose to take a plea agreement of life without the chance of parole rather than the high likelihood of a death sentence. He will never walk this earth as a free man again. Not only were the Ohio taxpayers save a huge amount of money for a death penalty trial, conviction and execution, his victims were saved the hell of having to go through a long trial. They no longer had to ever face him again unless they chose to. (of course, he since took the issue away from us all together when he killed himself in prison.)

If you can't already tell, I seem to be stuck on the fence.

As always, just my 2 cents...
You pretty much nailed my thoughts on the subject. I've been back and forth on this for most of my adult life.

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Old 03-04-2014, 08:22 PM   #47
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Unfortunately, I have seen to many instances of wrongful convictions to think I could condemn another to death for a crime---

Yep==there are some people I could behead with an axe---but overall--our justice system has its flaws --so for now--put me in the 'no death penalty' corner---
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Old 03-04-2014, 11:29 PM   #48
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I just arrived and so missed the fray, but what I see is a mature exchange of opinions. Whats so wrong with a discussion. Exchanging thoughts with an open mind is what keeps us as growing as individuals. Otherwise one will just get stuck in their own box.
That's no way to live.
You are correct when you say that you missed the fray, So you do not know what kind of trash was flung around.

I caught it in it's entirety, and it was not good.

That said I do not buy the nonsense that it costs more to erase these scum, than it costs to feed and house them and their medical and all the other things that are wasted on them.

I wish that I could get to live free of charge somewhere, but I would miss the ability to see and hold a member of the opposite sex. The ability to walk away from something that I do not like, the ability to go nearly anywhere I choose, etc.

Just this week a guy was sentenced to life in a community just 50 miles away from me, who was convicted of child molestation going back around 15 years and continuing with other kids over those years.

I still feel that these creeps have "NO REDEEMING SOCIAL VALUE" and should be eradicated,

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I think it might change some peoples minds if jails were more like jails. If a life sentence meant life, not parole after 10 years.
Jail is meant to be punishment not a time out. Everybody wants these people put in prison but when you tell them the prisons are full and you want to build a new one close to them. You would have thought someone kicked their dog. Let the protests begin.
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You pretty much nailed my thoughts on the subject. I've been back and forth on this for most of my adult life.
Same here. And juries scare me. I have been an expert witness in a court case. I have seen people on a jury who were not smart enough to count their fingers and toes.
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Same here. And juries scare me. I have been an expert witness in a court case. I have seen people on a jury who were not smart enough to count their fingers and toes.
And do not forget the attorneys and judges that could not get out of a revolving door , even with arrows pointing the way.


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I sat next to an attorney on a flight a couple of years ago. His sole task was to defend prisoners on death row in AZ. He was in a law office with about 8 other attorneys doing the same thing.

What do you think an average salary for an attorney is? $150k a year?

Office staff? $60k each? Say at least 4 of them in the office?

Office lease? $100k year?

Don't forget expenses

Then we have all the costs on the other side. DA, courts....judges....professional witnesses....OT for police officers.

And that is just AZ.

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Old 03-07-2014, 05:01 PM   #53
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jail...you mean room and board..heat a/c library, tv. visits for the wife or girl friend, 3 squares, weight room, medicial, dental ,,, the list could go on....well over in italy....jail... is a cut out hole in the mountain with a steel bar door..no comforts at all..were do one pee.pee right ther on the floor, were do we poo poo.. on the floor,, we sleep on the floor, jail is not a place you want to be over there...but of course they don't have rampant crime ...they kill it off....
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As stated earlier by others, the states that have the death penalty do not necessarily have lower crime rates. In fact here is a chart that indicates it is not a deterrent


http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/dete...r-murder-rates

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Also, The USA is already one of world leaders in criminal executions.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...n_1004146.html

Comparing to Italy may not be prudent as their crime rate is way way lower then the USA's anyway.

The USA and Japan are the only first world countries that still allow it. Not one other in the western world does. Look at the list below. China, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, United States. are the leaders in executions...looking kind of grim to be compared to some of those places

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...0023935AABwxqn

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I bet this list of innocent people would surely vote to abolish a barbaric and uncivilized act such as an execution

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/inno...reed-death-row

Did you click on the link?? That's 143 innocent people exonerated that were on death row. What about the one's that slipped through the cracks?? They are already dead and can no longer fight for their innocence.


This discussion can easily slip into the question of " I wonder how many of those that are for the death penalty would also be right to lifers" hmmmm??

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I think they should give the inmate a choice. But they get solitary confinement for life. No luxuries, no visitors, no letters, to the outside world you are dead. A 5x8 cell with a ****ter, a guard hoses you down once a week for a shower and 2 ****ty meals a day. If they want to die then they have to sign an appeal proof document.
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Also, The USA is already one of world leaders in criminal executions.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...n_1004146.html

Comparing to Italy may not be prudent as their crime rate is way way lower then the USA's anyway.

The USA and Japan are the only first world countries that still allow it. Not one other in the western world does. Look at the list below. China, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, United States. are the leaders in executions...looking kind of grim to be compared to some of those places

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...0023935AABwxqn
it lower because they treat criminals as such...law breakers. no special treatment..citizens have rights as long as they abide by the laws of the land... if you break the laws you give up those rights so again what is the problem ...if they are guilty and I mean guilty as caught in the act ,,confession, positively identified...CASE CLOSED SHOOT THEM...THE END...
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In a civilized society should the death penalty still be on the table for the worst crimes?

Why? Why not?

Has your opinion on this topic changed over the years?


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