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Old 10-28-2012, 08:33 PM   #16
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sorry if I assumed you were in Cali, after all you had linked the City of Fullerton, CA. in post #12.

since the sand is not natural undisturbed material it would be of "questionable soil characteristics" and therefore would require soil tests ...... my opinion

the word engineered, while not in Chapter 2 Definitions means "involving a professional engineer." therefore engineered fill means material used to replace existing soils that has been determined by a professional engineer to be substantial in supporting structural loads. if not they would have simply said "FILL" in Section R403 and you would be free to use whatever material you wanted.

I disagree with your interpretation, not that it matters. My interpretation as well as yours do not matter, what does it that of the local building official that has the final say .....

drop a dime and inquire with the authority having jurisdiction and see what they say ..... then you'll know for sure

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Old 10-28-2012, 09:14 PM   #17
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In my opinion, "Questionable soils" are those not listed in the table of presumptive load-bearing values.

What matters to me is that the building is adequately supported.

I would place more confidence in a builder who has experience constructing
foundations on sand than I would in a building official who might simply be reading from a code book. Of course, if I intended to get a permit, I would certainly want to know the city's regulations.
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Old 10-28-2012, 09:48 PM   #18
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oakie doakie

you are correct, what matters most is that your building is adequately supported .....

good luck!
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Old 10-29-2012, 01:57 PM   #19
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" After the water drains and the sand dries, would the sand settle" I dunno, I'm not an engineer. What happens if you pour more water in the bucket? Does it run thru or or run over the top, flooding every thing? Water on beaches compacts the sand, wind still blows it away, high tide washes it out. And why do ya wanta poke holes in a perfectly good bucket.

I repeat myself, at risk of getting more pcf and psf and " full potential consolidation" and math ( shudder) and Consolidated Widgets Inc. and... well that's why I don't argue with engineers, I dunno what they are sayin' I just ask, "Can I do this?" I never ask why. They never say, "No, It'll fall down" They go off on the stress of the hypothetical hypotonuse of the tangental hippopottomus on the girdle of the square tree root, and comparing bucketts to pails and... ; so anyway " a self described "newbie" ( who knows" nothing about soil mechanics") wanting to fill a swimming pool with wet sand and a civil engineer saying not to do it."

Long ago and far away a man who had some experience in carpentry said something about "a foolish man who built his house on sand."
He wasn't an engineer though, and he mighta been talking about something else, so you do what ya want.
", if I intended to get a permit" yeah, cause who needs to have anything inspected? Permits are just another way to bilk money from honest tax payers and just another intrusion of government into our lives.
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notmrjohn,

as my mama used to tell me, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it do the backstroke"
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GB, that's why I always change to a sea otter in midstream. Its hard to stay in the saddle hangin upside down and the water goes up my nose.

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