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Head_Unit 07-02-2012 01:47 PM

Patio (& driveway?): tile/paver/brick?
 
Have an opportunity to redo our "patio" which is cracked concrete poured out a different times who knows how many years ago.

The patio area is 25' x 23'
Adjacent and connected to the patio, there is an asphalt area in front of our garage up to a dog gate, that's 25' x 20'.

So I'm wondering what to pave this area(s) with.

I don't want to do concrete, and I'm not too fond of "pavers" (since to me they look like colored concrete-mostly).

Kinda liked saltillo, but a fellow at one tile place opined that since they are sun-fired, they will not last as long as kiln-fired true tile. I also wonder in front of the garage if ANY tile will stand to have a car driven on top.*

Which leads me to real brick-only downside seems to be cost?

Then should this be on top of concrete, or sand bed? I've seen both. We do get seismic movement and have some big tree roots, plus sprinkler pipes and electrical will run under this area. The sand thus seems more flexible if we need to fix something. But *can you drive on top of that?

Or should I just leave car areas asphalt? (I mean from a structural point of view, not cosmetic, I'm missing my camera to upload a picture for cosmetic opinions).

This is in L.A., so freezing is not a concern.

Thanks!

21boat 07-05-2012 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Head_Unit (Post 956200)
Have an opportunity to redo our "patio" which is cracked concrete poured out a different times who knows how many years ago.

So I'm wondering what to pave this area(s) with.

I don't want to do concrete, and I'm not too fond of "pavers" (since to me they look like colored concrete-mostly).

Brick paver are just that not a concrete paver

Quote:

Originally Posted by Head_Unit (Post 956200)
Kinda liked saltillo, but a fellow at one tile place opined that since they are sun-fired, they will not last as long as kiln-fired true tile. I also wonder in front of the garage if ANY tile will stand to have a car driven on top.*

Which leads me to real brick-only downside seems to be cost?

Then should this be on top of concrete, or sand bed? I've seen both. We do get seismic movement and have some big tree roots, plus sprinkler pipes and electrical will run under this area. The sand thus seems more flexible if we need to fix something. But *can you drive on top of that?

Or should I just leave car areas asphalt? (I mean from a structural point of view, not cosmetic, I'm missing my camera to upload a picture for cosmetic opinions).

This is in L.A., so freezing is not a concern.

Thanks!

I drive on tile set in concrete in Puerto Rico all the time

Now as far as a brick driveway in Calf. Dig out area approx 11" deep and put down a commercial weed cloth.

Place 8" of 2a modified stone mechanically tamped, apply 1/2" concrete sand, set brick pavers, tamp pavers, Then Polymeric Sand sand, Again tamp paver for sand to get into cracks. Do this twice then. Blow off excess sand and then wet sand.

http://www.groundtradesxchange.com/p...meric_sand.htm

TRUEPRO 07-06-2012 05:47 PM

If you get stamped concrete done the RIGHT way, then it will last forever and ever and ever. No pavers. Brick...not so much.

Head_Unit 07-09-2012 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TRUEPRO (Post 959458)
If you get stamped concrete done the RIGHT way, then it will last forever and ever and ever. No pavers. Brick...not so much.

Er, what do you mean by "stamped concrete"?

TRUEPRO 07-09-2012 06:02 PM

Look up a youtube video. It will explain everything.

Head_Unit 07-09-2012 11:50 PM

Ah, now I get it. Can look great, depending I'm sure on the skill of the applicators. The tree roots could be a negative, unless I guess the concrete would tend to crack on the scoring lines.


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