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Old 05-25-2012, 05:22 AM   #16
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Your referring to expansion joint material?
No,I was thinking about foam board between the wall and pour,expansion at the top.
I don't even know if you would need one jomama45 could answer that for you.

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I've done it with reservation, mostly because it looks strange on a standard broomed finish IMO. It can certainly make the surface a little more slippery, mostly because the water has to dry to the air on it's own rather than soak into the concrete rapidly. It leaves beaded water on the surface longer. You can overcome this rather simply by using a traction additive in the sealer ("Shark-Grip", Sure-Step", etc...). We us the additive in every stamped concrete project we do for safety with little or no negatives...........[/QUOTE]

It will be colored concrete (chocolate) so it only seemed right to give it a seal to really make it pop even tho it is broomed. First time for everything...
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I've done it with reservation, mostly because it looks strange on a standard broomed finish IMO. It can certainly make the surface a little more slippery, mostly because the water has to dry to the air on it's own rather than soak into the concrete rapidly. It leaves beaded water on the surface longer. You can overcome this rather simply by using a traction additive in the sealer ("Shark-Grip", Sure-Step", etc...). We us the additive in every stamped concrete project we do for safety with little or no negatives...........
It will be colored concrete (chocolate) so it only seemed right to give it a seal to really make it pop even tho it is broomed. First time for everything...[/QUOTE]

That's completely different than, and I would probably use a solvent based acrylic enhancing sealer as well.

If you're going that far, why not think about using a seamless stone texture stamp on the entire thing, stripping the forms off when it's still plastic, and stamping the faces as well. You won't need the expensive liners then, but you will need some able bodies and a good plan........
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Im not going to stamp anything. But My newest concern is if some areas on the steps are "unfinishable" because if didnt pull the form fast enough, i would have to come back with some high strength filler. This works fine for standard color (grey) but how would i fill and voids when its all chocolate color? Guess i just have to time it perfect or be screwed?
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Im not going to stamp anything. But My newest concern is if some areas on the steps are "unfinishable" because if didnt pull the form fast enough, i would have to come back with some high strength filler. This works fine for standard color (grey) but how would i fill and voids when its all chocolate color? Guess i just have to time it perfect or be screwed?



You have to pull the risers to finish them,so you may have to mix some grout to fill any honeycomb,and when you pull the rest of the forms,you will probably have to grout,unless your using a special form liner.
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Grout with Plant-mixed colored concrete? Not as if i can buy the same color at lowes to grout. Guess i will have to keep whats left in the shoot and add plenty of water to it/keep it in the air conditioning maybe?
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Grout with Plant-mixed colored concrete? Not as if i can buy the same color at lowes to grout. Guess i will have to keep whats left in the shoot and add plenty of water to it/keep it in the air conditioning maybe?


I'd say you better get the coloring from your supplier then,because your more than likely going to have voids when you pull the forms,happens all the time.
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Ok so concrete company should have some dye to sell me and give me the proper mixing ratio? Ill use portland, sand and the dye to repair the honey combs (which should me minimal because ima vibrate the hell out of it)?

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Vibrate extremely well, apply plenty of form release, start removing forms as soon as you possibly can, and have enough experience on site to remove and rub out all the faces within 30-40 minutes. It probably wouldn't hurt to leave a wheelbarrow full of extra cement on some plastic on the ground either to "rob" any additional sacrificial cream from. Pouring with the right mix (usually straight bag mixes set faster, yet allow a small amount of bleed at the surface, as well as provide much nicer cream) will make it easy as well. Lastly be sure to re-enforce the sides of the stoop plenty as it's not uncommon for the boards to bow out at the bottom, especially when subjecting them to lots of vibration.

I wouldn't mess around too much with mixing separate grout with dye, it's far to easy to get the color shades off. Just adding a gallon of water mid pour can create enough issues that the color variation isn't acceptable some times.......
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Good stuff there jomama my worries are starting to alleviate. I am Masonry contractor with semi decent experience in forming and placing crete. First time for a set of steps and landing.

I am also going to fill the middle up with all the brick i demo from the original. As i go up with the concrete, i will fill with more brick in the middle. This will save me on the concrete cost. Would you agree that this will be acceptable?
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Ok so concrete company should have some dye to sell me and give me the proper mixing ratio? Ill use portland, sand and the dye to repair the honey combs (which should me minimal because ima vibrate the hell out of it)?



Vibrate the hell out of it, and you'll have it coming out of the risers.
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Ok so i have a nice Variable speed orbital sander im gonna use. Ill just lower the speed and take extra caution. Ill have 2 finishers and 3 labors out there so hopefully between the 6 of us we will make it happen! If not, see you in mexico
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Ok so i have a nice Variable speed orbital sander im gonna use. Ill just lower the speed and take extra caution. Ill have 2 finishers and 3 labors out there so hopefully between the 6 of us we will make it happen! If not, see you in mexico



Sounds like you have plenty of help,just have someone tap the side of the form with a hammer as you add concrete,and you'll be fine,just don't over do it.
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Nice, that looks a helluva lot better than it did. Glad everybody is happy.

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