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Old 10-26-2012, 11:47 AM   #16
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"I'm about to kill the mason" Change word kill to fire, then do it. Aside from quality of work in pics and you've described, I don't like his attitude. He is using arrogance to cover his shadyness. Trustworthy craftsman doesn't mind telling you what he is planning, what he is doing and why. Most don't mind teaching you a little something about their skill so you can do simple things..
I dunno what the portland is for, but it can break soft bricks, at least distort the wall by pushing them out of place.

You've already overpaid this guy. I'm used to a schedule closer to 25% at a time, slightly behind work completion schedule. With trusted subs I might go higher up front for materials and initial crew salary. More often I pay suppliers directly for materials. Crew deserves to be paid, even if boss is an idiot. Aside from you getting hit with workman's lien. Which can happen anyway if contractor is a jerk and takes his cut B4 paying crew. Contractor's cut, his salary and profit should come after job is approved. When I was contracting, my wages were lowest of intire crew while job was ongoing.

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Old 10-27-2012, 05:08 PM   #17
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Not sure why any mason would EVER use a premix. Its all junk. ALL OF IT.

1: ANY mortar installed should be pretty much ROCK hard the next day. If its soft and crumbly, then its wrong and should be replaced. Prob because they added too much water which weakened the mix.

2: I see they made quite a mess. Easy fix with a muratic acid wash. A skilled mason would not make that mess tho.

3: You prob went with the cheapest masonry contractor that came out there?. You fault blame yourself, you ALWAYS get what you pay for.

Sorry for your whoes. Im usually the contractor that comes behind these bums and fixes their mistakes. DEMAND what you feel you deserve and do not for any second settle for less. You worked hard for your money. They should not get away with sub standard work.

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Old 10-28-2012, 12:45 PM   #18
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Not sure why any mason would EVER use a premix. Its all junk. ALL OF IT.

On many big commercial jobs, you wouldn't have a choice, as pre-mixes are specced out, and they're not junk in most cases. Besides, did you read that it was a special lime mortar from a reputable supplier?

1: ANY mortar installed should be pretty much ROCK hard the next day. If its soft and crumbly, then its wrong and should be replaced. Prob because they added too much water which weakened the mix.

They added a ton of additional sand, try reading again......

2: I see they made quite a mess. Easy fix with a muratic acid wash. A skilled mason would not make that mess tho.

Skilled masons don't use muratic acid............

3: You prob went with the cheapest masonry contractor that came out there?. You fault blame yourself, you ALWAYS get what you pay for.

Easy killer. He's here asking legitamate questions, no need to jump down his throat and draw vague conclusions.......

Sorry for your whoes. Im usually the contractor that comes behind these bums and fixes their mistakes. DEMAND what you feel you deserve and do not for any second settle for less. You worked hard for your money. They should not get away with sub standard work.

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Old 10-28-2012, 01:19 PM   #19
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Obviously this premix is junk. You cant argue that. Iv built schools and government buildings. Never used a premix. EVER. I dont care how reputable ANY dealer is.

Why in the world would you use a "SPECIAL" premix for a repair job? Theres you first problem. This ISNT a big commercial job. Keep it simple

Best advice for homeowner: Dont let these idiots on your property.
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Obviously this premix is junk. You cant argue that. Iv built schools and government buildings. Never used a premix. EVER. I dont care how reputable ANY dealer is.

You've "built schools & government buildings", and you never worked under a silo?????

Why in the world would you use a "SPECIAL" premix for a repair job? Theres you first problem. This ISNT a big commercial job. Keep it simple

Do you understand what a "lime mortar" is???

Best advice for homeowner: Dont let these idiots on your property.
He already paid them a substantial amount............
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You might have missed the bit about him using a lime mortar
Lime mortar from dealers often comes as a premix. It should have the correct amount and type of sand added.
Lime mortar shouldn't be rock hard the next day. The joints are often left to the next day before the churn brush is put over them.
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Thanks again everyone for your help. Actually this guy I hired was the 2nd most expensive out of all bids and the ONLY one that insisted pure lime mortar must be used. All the other guys either insisted on adding some Portland to the mix or using straight Portland based mix. I even had 1 guy that said he will make it as strong as he possibly can as he was always taught the mortar should be much stronger than the brick, obviously I didn't hire that guy....

I would love to fire this guy but since he already has 60% of the contract amount (totally my fault) I have no choice but to work with him to get this done. He had his guys grind out the weak mortar that was used in repointing and put new in without any extra sand added (that I know of). It seems harder now so I'm hoping its fixed.

Regarding the pile of portland he brought, when I questioned him about it he said it was in his buckets and he needed to wash down brick with 600 grit cleaner, so they dumped it there and were planning to throw it out when they clean up. Again I am not sure if I believe him or not....

Now I went out to check up more thoroughly on their work and noticed that alot of the bricks where they rebuilt the pier and bricked in a man door (1/2 done) are all crooked in areas. Even my existing bricks that were not touched and are 80+ years old are more straight than this "new" work.

I am so thoroughly disgusting with this guy that I cannot even put it into words on how mad I am. Then I find out from one of the workers that 2 of them are not even masons (big surprise there) and that they are actually electricians that can't find too much work so they started doing masonry jobs with this company.

So now again I have to decide on whether to say anything about the crooked bricks or just let it go. If I bring it up now I have a feeling he will walk and I will be left with an unfinished job and not enough money to hire someone to finish it. But if I let it go, I will be constantly reminded of much this guy screwed me over.....
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Pre-bagged lime mixes are most assuredly not junk, nor are most commercial grade pre-mix portland/lime or masonry mixes. That is not the problem. Most likely this mason is not familiar with working with lime mortar, especially an NH type. It should have a good set within a week, if not make him take it out and do it right.

I have not found that more sand helped while tuckpointing, nor does excess water. I have also never heard of cleaning with any type of grit material, how does that work and not damage the face of the brick.

At this point, there being no standards and specifications in the contract (I assume), then there is not much you can do but let him finish, then pursue legal options to rectify the situation.
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I I have also never heard of cleaning with any type of grit material, how does that work and not damage the face of the brick.
There is one exception to this Tscar. When an arch is built in gauged brickwork with soft rubbing bricks, the face is usually finished off by rubbing with a piece of carborundum stone to clean it up.
However brickwork shown here it does not apply.

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