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Old 06-04-2013, 07:59 PM   #31
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I don't see how clear, uncolored plastic can discolor anything,



Point well made Oso.... but I caution everyone to remember the quote:

"You can't believe everything you read on the internet'' George Washington / President
I looked at that site, first of all it says:

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Many people who have observed this phenomenon think that the plastic has somehow “stained” the concrete. In reality, the concrete is not stained but simply cured unevenly.
It was called STAINS in this thread, and according to the above that's totally wrong, it's simply uneven CURING causing minor differences in the shade of the grey or white.

Of course one has to look at the whole picture, the web site claims, and who is behind the web site, are they trying to sell a "remedy" are they trying to oversell a service only THEY just happen to provide, these questions and more lend to the concept of checking the whole picture out and seeing where there is any conflict of interests going on, or product sales.

An example is going to a site that sells radon detection kits, well of course they will dramatize big time about how DANGEROUS and deadly your house is, complete with pictures of toddlers playing in the basement while grandma sits nearby almost smothered and breathing in the "deadly" CANCER causing radon fumes just gushing out of every little crack in the basement floor! but wait! the site has a solution for you, a guaranteed test kit for only $49.95... and what's more, they can send someone out to give you an estimate on a new basement floor and foundation walls.

It is not the clear plastic that is staining anything at all, it's the method, and the way that issue is eliminated is doing what I did:

Wait for the surface to set firm, hose the surface with water, lay the clear plastic sheet over the slab laying it completely FLAT with no air pockets, wrinkles or bubbles. Weight down the perimeter with clean sand all the way around. That plastic will stay flat and in contact with the concrete.
That was why I didn't have any issues, because I wasn't sloppy and let wrinkles and air pockets stay in the plastic sheeting. Obviously someone who gets lazy and leaves wrinkles in, is going to see some minor differences in finished tone, but good gawd!! is THIS how obsessive compulsive and anally retentive Americans have become now? that people actually get all upset and bent out of shape over such an insignificant, minor nothing of a thing like a little color differences on a freaking concrete sidewalk or driveway???

Wow, I'm just stunned when I read this level of obsession with stuff some people have, but I guess I shouldn't be real surprised since I work with a guy who has a diagnosed obsessive compulsive disorder, the kind that not one thing in his world is good enough to leave alone, no matter what it is he has to remake it half a dozen times before he is happier. Nothing anyone else does is any good. He complained about every machine or tool he ever bought, measuring with micrometer none were ever flat enough or straight enough or good enough and he'd demand a replacement.
One poor machine dealer had to replace a machine he bought THREE times, winding up throwing in a bunch of free stuff the last time, even then he wasn't happy and had to take the cast iron top and MILL it to his satisfaction.
If all people have to worry, obsess over and get pissed off about is a little blotcheyness on a concrete driveway, then there's something seriously wrong with them in my opinion.

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Old 06-04-2013, 08:05 PM   #32
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Now for the pictures I mentioned I was going to take of the concrete work done by a contractor that failed within months. LOUSY site prep, lousy concrete, they finished the surface and left on a 90 degree sunny day.
The concrete dried off fast, here's what it did, that is a drain on the right where it slopes to. Note the control cuts they made with a carbide saw did absolutely nothing, the slabs cracked across the other way:







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LOUSY site prep...
Interesting...did they wet the substrate before they poured?

Trust me, I know about real OCD...not fun.
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Old 06-04-2013, 08:17 PM   #34
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I looked at that site, first of all it says:



It was called STAINS in this thread, and according to the above that's totally wrong, it's simply uneven CURING causing minor differences in the shade of the grey or white.

Of course one has to look at the whole picture, the web site claims, and who is behind the web site, are they trying to sell a "remedy" are they trying to oversell a service only THEY just happen to provide, these questions and more lend to the concept of checking the whole picture out and seeing where there is any conflict of interests going on, or product sales.

An example is going to a site that sells radon detection kits, well of course they will dramatize big time about how DANGEROUS and deadly your house is, complete with pictures of toddlers playing in the basement while grandma sits nearby almost smothered and breathing in the "deadly" CANCER causing radon fumes just gushing out of every little crack in the basement floor! but wait! the site has a solution for you, a guaranteed test kit for only $49.95... and what's more, they can send someone out to give you an estimate on a new basement floor and foundation walls.

It is not the clear plastic that is staining anything at all, it's the method, and the way that issue is eliminated is doing what I did:

Wait for the surface to set firm, hose the surface with water, lay the clear plastic sheet over the slab laying it completely FLAT with no air pockets, wrinkles or bubbles. Weight down the perimeter with clean sand all the way around. That plastic will stay flat and in contact with the concrete.
That was why I didn't have any issues, because I wasn't sloppy and let wrinkles and air pockets stay in the plastic sheeting. Obviously someone who gets lazy and leaves wrinkles in, is going to see some minor differences in finished tone, but good gawd!! is THIS how obsessive compulsive and anally retentive Americans have become now? that people actually get all upset and bent out of shape over such an insignificant, minor nothing of a thing like a little color differences on a freaking concrete sidewalk or driveway???

Wow, I'm just stunned when I read this level of obsession with stuff some people have, but I guess I shouldn't be real surprised since I work with a guy who has a diagnosed obsessive compulsive disorder, the kind that not one thing in his world is good enough to leave alone, no matter what it is he has to remake it half a dozen times before he is happier. Nothing anyone else does is any good. He complained about every machine or tool he ever bought, measuring with micrometer none were ever flat enough or straight enough or good enough and he'd demand a replacement.
One poor machine dealer had to replace a machine he bought THREE times, winding up throwing in a bunch of free stuff the last time, even then he wasn't happy and had to take the cast iron top and MILL it to his satisfaction.
If all people have to worry, obsess over and get pissed off about is a little blotcheyness on a concrete driveway, then there's something seriously wrong with them in my opinion.

Wolfy... I've been here a short time... I've seen ya with great experience and recommendations... but let's just say we all have different experience...

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Interesting...did they wet the substrate before they poured?

Trust me, I know about real OCD...not fun.
Clambake... A persons technical concern ,or whatever your reference may be, is not OCD in my opinion... it's just wanting to do it right.

Is your clamback name from the east coast, specifically the cape?
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MTN REMODEL LLC, YOU are exactly the kind of guy who spreads disharmony & disinformation in this forum it wasn't george washington who said that,,, rather it WAS abe lincoln who said it !
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Depends upon for whom you're building. I've had to change out countertops because the buyer didn't think the marbling grains were close enough to matching each other in four or five individual pieces of countertop.... some 15 feet from the others.
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Never ceases to amaze me how threads keep going and going......
Why don't you give it a rest- you guys are OCD about posting....
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MTN REMODEL LLC, YOU are exactly the kind of guy who spreads disharmony & disinformation in this forum it wasn't george washington who said that,,, rather it WAS abe lincoln who said it !
To : IT AINT CEMENT: Hezuz... That's spanish for Jesus... You apparently don' t know historically your ass (that's a barnyard animal) from a ditch (that's a hole in the ground).

When George Washington was wet and tired from paddling across the Potomic with Abraham Lincoln while Abe was imbiding with John Wilkes Booth, there developed an unfriedly relationship.. and subsequently at the battle of Gettysburg when Abe Lincoln arose from his bunker and saw his shadow (and we had 6 more months or winter) he bequethed and forever transfered his favorite quotes to George.

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Never ceases to amaze me how threads keep going and going......
Why don't you give it a rest- you guys are OCD about posting....
Just joking... but you're probably correct
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A persons technical concern ,or whatever your reference may be, is not OCD in my opinion... it's just wanting to do it right.
Oh, I agree. Making two round trip drives back-to-back (without any sleep in between) between the SF Bay Area and LA because you're sure the paint is failing on a house you just painted is what I consider an expression of real OCD. And anxiety disorder.

Not that I actually know anything about something like that first hand...


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If all people have to worry, obsess over and get pissed off about is a little blotcheyness on a concrete driveway, then there's something seriously wrong with them in my opinion.

Even if there's something wrong with them, they still go by the name of "customer who pays the bill" if you're a contractor. What may pass as marginal finishes as a homeowner can be 180 degrees from what's acceptable as a contractor who's in the business of collecting his money....................
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Oh, I agree. Making two round trip drives back-to-back (without any sleep in between) between the SF Bay Area and LA because you're sure the paint is failing on a house you just painted is what I consider an expression of real OCD. And anxiety disorder.

Not that I actually know anything about something like that first hand...


The clambake6 moniker just popped into my head when I signed up.
Heck... That trip, from Dana Point to Tiburon (my kids) is not OCD, it's f'n he)).

Love your Cali weather and your Cali people... so who the heck elects your politicians?

(I think the original question has been overwhelmingly answered.... just kidding around now)

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Interesting...did they wet the substrate before they poured?

As I remember, the ground was WET from heavy rains, this was a gravel driveway in the alley, I think they brought in some more gravel to give it a slope, and then poured.

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Even if there's something wrong with them, they still go by the name of "customer who pays the bill" if you're a contractor. What may pass as marginal finishes as a homeowner can be 180 degrees from what's acceptable as a contractor who's in the business of collecting his money....................
BTW Yomama... You're the only one making sense and any good points... are you OCD.

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