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Old 08-14-2012, 09:49 AM   #16
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I talked with a pool guy I know. I am going to have it tested but as he mentioned even if it comes up as a negative doesn't mean that it isn't from a water line. He mentioned chlorine levels are pretty low in tap water and as it travels through the ground pH, minerals, impurities etc could through results off. So if it is a positive then we know for sure. If it is a negative we still don't know for sure. I will post the results this evening.

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Old 08-14-2012, 08:16 PM   #17
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OK, ......... but would it be possible to take a sample and have it tested for chlorine. If so, it would at least tell you if this is coming from the house or natural.

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Old 08-16-2012, 09:53 AM   #18
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Just a little update. The water has been started to recede. I watched as rain came down the other day and noticed my driveway has a slope towards the areas that I am getting a lot of the water. I am starting to think this is just a ton of ground water. If that is the case once these holes dry up can I pour my footers. Once it rains again will this cause the soil to saturate and the footings to sink? I will continue to post updates as I see things changing.
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Old 08-16-2012, 10:34 AM   #19
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Just a little update. The water has been started to recede. I watched as rain came down the other day and noticed my driveway has a slope towards the areas that I am getting a lot of the water. I am starting to think this is just a ton of ground water. If that is the case once these holes dry up can I pour my footers. Once it rains again will this cause the soil to saturate and the footings to sink? I will continue to post updates as I see things changing.

the idea is to dig down past the soft mud back to dry/solid after the footings have had water sitting in them and then pour the concrete. what you have there looks like ground water trying to find somewhere to go. After you fill the holes back in with the concrete and back fill the water will not go back there because the holes are filled in and not open...
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Handy, you think I need to dig deeper? I am already at about 44 - 48 inches on these 2 of these holes. I probably have another foot of what feels like very silk soft clay and muck. As I dig deeper wouldn't I expect to have the same results. My thinking is as I dig I will continue to saturate the new earth as I open it up. Additionally I am running out of handles on my post hole digger. As I go deep there hole seems to limit the amount of width I can spread the digger handles. Widen the hole?

Additionally, new things have come to light. I had a camera run through my drain in the digging area. Surprising the terra-cotta was in great shape. A few bucks later and half of a concrete floor replaced I learned there is no drain break. The gray muck is a mystery to me. Poking around in the holes I found interesting things filled as backfill. One thing i found explains why the bottom of one of my hole just collapsed. The builders tossed a piece of terra-cotta flue in as backfill. he scary thing about that I was THis flue was only a inch or two below my required dig depth. That could have supported some weight but for how long. I can't imagine what would happen when on corner of my first story deck dropped about a foot. I found a cinder block along with other things you would typically find as backfill.

Other project updates I decided to redirect my downspouts. Tomorrow morning I am picking up a trencher and my downspouts will have a new home. I also watched the rain the other day on my driveway. It seems that due to the age of the driveway a decent amount of settling has occurred. I observed water puddling up near the rear of the driveway. In the same area as these holes. I am thinking I may run this trencher along the edge of the driveway and create a trench the drain that will help redirect any of this water away from the house. I have also tossed the idea of working with adjusting the grading near the house. I havent filled in the holes but I am running out of summer to get this done.
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Im gonna say its a landscaping issue. House settled, dirt around house back pitching and holding rain water...any water in basement? Smell moldy in basement?
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Old 08-17-2012, 06:01 PM   #22
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Handy, you think I need to dig deeper? I am already at about 44 - 48 inches on these 2 of these holes. I probably have another foot of what feels like very silk soft clay and muck. As I dig deeper wouldn't I expect to have the same results. My thinking is as I dig I will continue to saturate the new earth as I open it up. Additionally I am running out of handles on my post hole digger. As I go deep there hole seems to limit the amount of width I can spread the digger handles. Widen the hole?

Additionally, new things have come to light. I had a camera run through my drain in the digging area. Surprising the terra-cotta was in great shape. A few bucks later and half of a concrete floor replaced I learned there is no drain break. The gray muck is a mystery to me. Poking around in the holes I found interesting things filled as backfill. One thing i found explains why the bottom of one of my hole just collapsed. The builders tossed a piece of terra-cotta flue in as backfill. he scary thing about that I was THis flue was only a inch or two below my required dig depth. That could have supported some weight but for how long. I can't imagine what would happen when on corner of my first story deck dropped about a foot. I found a cinder block along with other things you would typically find as backfill.

Other project updates I decided to redirect my downspouts. Tomorrow morning I am picking up a trencher and my downspouts will have a new home. I also watched the rain the other day on my driveway. It seems that due to the age of the driveway a decent amount of settling has occurred. I observed water puddling up near the rear of the driveway. In the same area as these holes. I am thinking I may run this trencher along the edge of the driveway and create a trench the drain that will help redirect any of this water away from the house. I have also tossed the idea of working with adjusting the grading near the house. I havent filled in the holes but I am running out of summer to get this done.

Contractors are and have been for years notorious for disposing of construction debris on the site,insted of sending it to the landfill which they have to pay for,and thus the reason they do it being to save money.

Don't know if it's illegal where you live but it is here,and 20 years ago when we were having our home built,i decided one afternoon to go over to where our home was being built to see how things were progressing,as it was close to being finished and i see a front end loader had a hole dug in the back yard,and was filling it with all the debris on the site,had everything under the sun in the hole,when i asked him what he thought he was doing,he said the contractor told him to clean up and bury everything,needless to say i called the contractor and had him get a dump truck out there,and stood there and watched while it was all loaded on the truck,then i followed the truck to the dump to be sure it stayed there,moral of the story is just because it's against the law doesn't stop them from trying to get by with it and save a buck at your expense.
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Handy, you think I need to dig deeper? I am already at about 44 - 48 inches on these 2 of these holes. I probably have another foot of what feels like very silk soft clay and muck. As I dig deeper wouldn't I expect to have the same results. My thinking is as I dig I will continue to saturate the new earth as I open it up. Additionally I am running out of handles on my post hole digger. As I go deep there hole seems to limit the amount of width I can spread the digger handles. Widen the hole?

Additionally, new things have come to light. I had a camera run through my drain in the digging area. Surprising the terra-cotta was in great shape. A few bucks later and half of a concrete floor replaced I learned there is no drain break. The gray muck is a mystery to me. Poking around in the holes I found interesting things filled as backfill. One thing i found explains why the bottom of one of my hole just collapsed. The builders tossed a piece of terra-cotta flue in as backfill. he scary thing about that I was THis flue was only a inch or two below my required dig depth. That could have supported some weight but for how long. I can't imagine what would happen when on corner of my first story deck dropped about a foot. I found a cinder block along with other things you would typically find as backfill.

Other project updates I decided to redirect my downspouts. Tomorrow morning I am picking up a trencher and my downspouts will have a new home. I also watched the rain the other day on my driveway. It seems that due to the age of the driveway a decent amount of settling has occurred. I observed water puddling up near the rear of the driveway. In the same area as these holes. I am thinking I may run this trencher along the edge of the driveway and create a trench the drain that will help redirect any of this water away from the house. I have also tossed the idea of working with adjusting the grading near the house. I havent filled in the holes but I am running out of summer to get this done.
I was mentioning to dig a little deeper to clear out the soft stuff once the water in the hole is gone but it sounds like you are having soft earth issues. Our concrete guy had to dig down 8' once to get down to solid earth for the footings on a house so it is not unheard of. also, when digging for your pipes,just in case you do not know one thing you do not want to do is mix gutter and drain pipes, they each need to be separate pipes...
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Maybe I wrote that wrong. Rain water into any main is setting yourself up for a big mess. I know some people that have lived in houses that were piped up this way. Every few years their basements would back up. I know here and probably everywhere that is code. Even when you go to sell or buy a house you have to have dye tests done. I definitely am not running my gutters into any current lines.
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What is weird is the it is only the ground near the house with this water. THe other holes are bone dry. It is just the ones near the house. The house was build on this ground. The footer is about 3 feet down. I am hoping it is just a landscaping issue. it is just weird that these holes have been opened up for 2 weeks now and they have gone down only slightly. I have been shop-vacing them out twice a day and have been leaving them uncovered. I am getting less water but still it is still present. I don't even know who to call or contact about finding out what I am trying to build on.
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basement is basically dry. Your typical Pittsburgh basement with a 60 year old house. A few spots on plaster bubbling but nothing pooling up.
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i would dig the holes and keep pumping out the water and getting it far away from the house. It will stop eventually unless you hit underground water 2 ft down and 2 ft from your house( not likely).
If it works i would get a grade on that yard and make sure your getting your water away from that house.
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You may have found that the back filled area around the foundation was filled with top soil and the undisturbed original earth is clay---making the back fill hold water longer than the surrounding original soil--

As Hand Drive suggested---dig out the soft muck and quick fi the holes with concrete---not to wet a mix--the concrete will displace the water and you should be fine---
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Well I have a update and have had a busy back breaking past few days. I was analyzing what could be, not just one, but many contributing factors to this water. Instead of me pulling 50+ gallons out of these holes per day I am now just pulling around 5 a day. So although I am not working on the deck, I am working towards working on a deck. Here is what I did and what I am currently working on . I also found a surprise.
1. Gutter covers have been removed. I had solid ones and there was quite a drop from my roof to the gutter. I have observed water running off of them during heavy rain and many icicles during winter months. They are gone with the hope that the gutters catch more water.
2. My downspout discharge is no longer near the house. I rented a trenching machine and ran them 70 feet from my house.
3. As I was installing my underground drains for my downspouts I noticed a muddy area near a tube that comes from pumped water from my AC unit. I don't know all the terminology when it comes to HVAC but there is a pump located inside of my house that pushes collected water when the AC unit is running. There isn't an interior drain near so the tubing was run from the pump to the outside of my house. As I was working I put the tube end into a bucket to keep the ground dry until the pipes were installed. Just out of curiosity I checked the bucket and within an hour the 2.5 gallon bucket was nearly half filled. I started thinking if my AC has been running since May and with the hot summer we have had, who knows how many hundreds of gallons have been pumped next to my foundation. I ended up splicing the tube and ran it to my downspout drain.
4. After tearing up the yard with the trencher I needed to put down some new top soil and seed. I figured it would be a great time to work on grading as well since a lot of the ground was torn up near the house. I have about 2 more tons of top soil to spread to finish the grading but I think this is starting to pay off.

I will continue to give updates. Hopefully soon you will get an update of my putting posts into the ground. Any new ideas or thoughts please share.


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